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Having a wobble about my sons being vaccinated

26 replies

NewMatress · 17/05/2021 19:51

They're 18 & 19 and have been invited for vaccinations because they are carers for DH who is bedbound.

Now, I only asked if they should have it, I didn't push for it. They do help around the house and contribute to his care, but he's not dependent on them as long as I am well, anyway. The GP said absolutely and arranged it for them.

DSs are of course adults and could/should be organising this themselves. They're happy to go along with it as I've organised it, but there's no way they would have bothered if I hadn't.

Everything I've heard is that young people, particularly those who've had the virus (they have, I brought it home from work) are most likely to suffer the worst side effects. Most of my colleagues have been vaccinated because of our work and some have been really very ill.

I'm going to feel awful if they both need time off work. DS1 won't get paid and DS2 has only just got to go into work, which he really needs after a year wfh and barely seeing a soul.

Remind me why they should have it despite possibly already having some immunity, being very low risk for serious illness and DH already being vaccinated?

OP posts:
CarrieBlue · 17/05/2021 19:55

Your DH isn’t the only person they come into contact with. Vaccinating everyone gives us herd immunity meaning those who can’t be vaccinated are protected too. Virus allowed to spread gives rise to mutations which may be vaccine-immune.

I wish my DC we’re old enough to be allowed to be vaccinated.

YellowColour · 17/05/2021 19:56

My 17 year old son has also been invited. I presume it's because he is asthmatic and has allergies.
He is adamant he doesn't want it saying it hasn't been tested enough on his age group.
I am respecting his decision but really want him to have it

UserEleventyNine · 17/05/2021 20:27

OP, you don't now how much immunity they've got or how long it will last. If they're mixing with people regularly, at work or socialising, they should have it to help to reduce transmission in the population as a whole.

BluebellsGreenbells · 17/05/2021 20:34

Three teen here all had the vaccine - not if side effects other than a sore arm.

Remmy123 · 17/05/2021 20:38

If you are having a wobble why don't you wait until you feel better about it? Or let them decide?

Rillington · 17/05/2021 20:40

My DC have had it. One had a dead arm for 24 hours the other was fine. I am CEV they had it to protect me.

ZZTopGuitarSolo · 18/05/2021 01:15

My 4 teens have all had Pfizer. They’ve had 7 shots between them so far. One of them got a bit of a headache. They all had a slightly sore arm.

lakesidelife · 18/05/2021 01:47

Dc (12) have had first vaccination, they both had sore arms but were fine.

Pinkpaisley · 18/05/2021 04:53

Even if they need a few days off work, it’s worth it. My 12 yo just got vaccinated. We are thrilled.

CorianderBee · 18/05/2021 05:14

I'm 26 and got AZ and I was fine

carrythecan · 18/05/2021 06:15

If they've had Covid then they will have a natural immunity, so they don't need to have the vaccine.

Angel2702 · 18/05/2021 11:03

Better to have a day off than catch covid and be off for weeks. Could they arrange it for a day they don’t work the following day?

Wellbythebloodyhell · 18/05/2021 12:28

They're adults let them decide for themselves its not your decision to make anymore

ShyButMiffed · 18/05/2021 12:41

If they've had it, why the vaccine? Vaccines are not better than real-world immunity, they are designed to mimic it.

Immunity seems lasting: www.nytimes.com/2020/11/17/health/coronavirus-immunity.html

ALL vaccines however good and worthy carry some risk. Taking the risk when its not needed burdens the NHS for the sake of one's own feelings of moral rectitude.

ShyButMiffed · 18/05/2021 13:41

Assuming it doesn't get censored this post talks about the difference between the natural immunity they already have versus the immunity from the vaccine: twitter.com/charlesbrew/status/1394322034994319363

JoRoMo · 18/05/2021 14:32

'Remind me why they should have it despite possibly already having some immunity, being very low risk for serious illness and DH already being vaccinated?'

These are all good reasons why they shouldn't have it. The vaccines aren't proven to prevent infection or transmission, and no one knows how long protection lasts. The trials were designed to show that they reduced symptoms, nothing else.

The vaccines aren't licensed yet, they're still in the trial stages. They're experimental and we have no idea of their long-term safety. The risk-benefit balance is different for everyone - it might make sense for an adult who is at risk of severe illness from Covid-19 to get the vaccine, but it makes no sense for healthy young people. The risks outweigh any potential benefits.

The Covid-19 vaccines work quite differently from the standard licensed vaccines. Please do your research before going ahead - the UK Medical Freedom Alliance website is a good place to start.

Kyph · 18/05/2021 14:37

They're happy to go along with it as I've organised it, but there's no way they would have bothered if I hadn't. They wouldn't have bothered even though their own father is vulnerable?
I am vulnerable and DS was desperate to be able make me safer.

My 23 year old had AZ, both doses.
He had 12 hours of feeling shivery and achey after the first one and nothing after the second.

User89044 · 18/05/2021 14:38

@JoRoMo

'Remind me why they should have it despite possibly already having some immunity, being very low risk for serious illness and DH already being vaccinated?'

These are all good reasons why they shouldn't have it. The vaccines aren't proven to prevent infection or transmission, and no one knows how long protection lasts. The trials were designed to show that they reduced symptoms, nothing else.

The vaccines aren't licensed yet, they're still in the trial stages. They're experimental and we have no idea of their long-term safety. The risk-benefit balance is different for everyone - it might make sense for an adult who is at risk of severe illness from Covid-19 to get the vaccine, but it makes no sense for healthy young people. The risks outweigh any potential benefits.

The Covid-19 vaccines work quite differently from the standard licensed vaccines. Please do your research before going ahead - the UK Medical Freedom Alliance website is a good place to start.

Reported for spreading misinformation. The trials and subsequent real-world data showed the vaccines efficacy for preventing serious disease and death, not merely 'symptoms'. In addition, data has since emerged showing large reductions in transmission. We aren't getting out of this pandemic any other way, anyone would think posters like these love lockdown. No vaccine has ever caused delayed side effects years later.
ZZTopGuitarSolo · 18/05/2021 20:16

The vaccines aren't proven to prevent infection or transmission, and no one knows how long protection lasts. The trials were designed to show that they reduced symptoms, nothing else.

This is flat-out untrue. We have data other than what the trials provided, and to pretend we don't is deeply misleading.

From Johns Hopkins
www.jhsph.edu/covid-19/articles/new-data-on-covid-19-transmission-by-vaccinated-individuals.html

In a recent White House press briefing, CDC director Rochelle Walensky cited new data indicating that the two-dose regimen of COVID-19 vaccines can reduce the risk of asymptomatic or presymptomatic infections.

What does this mean, exactly? And what might data like this suggest for public health guidance going forward? Amesh Adalja, MD, of the Center for Health Security, answers a few questions about our evolving understanding of immunity and COVID vaccines.

Can we say with any degree of certainty that vaccinated people are unlikely to spread COVID to unvaccinated individuals?

The emerging data confirms what many of us thought would be the case—that not only do the vaccines stop symptomatic COVID, but they also make it highly unlikely that someone can even be infected at all.

I think the preponderance of the evidence supports the fact that vaccinated individuals are not able to spread the virus.

What do we know about one-dose regimens, either single-dose vaccines or a delayed second dose that some nations have implemented to increase the availability of vaccines?

There is significant immunity that is engendered two weeks after a single dose of the two-dose vaccines, and though the data is more robust for the approved two-dose schedules, countries that prioritized first doses took a reasonable approach.

What is known about the variants of concern and their ability to infect fully vaccinated individuals?

When it comes to variants, it is likely the case that it depends on the variant and depends on the vaccine.

The B.1.1.7 variant (first identified in the U.K.) is one that vaccines appear robust against. The more concerning B.1.351 variant (first identified in South Africa) appears to pose problems for the J&J vaccine but not where it counts in terms of presenting serious disease, hospitalization, and death. Data on the P.1 variant (first identified in Brazil) is forthcoming, but I suspect it will be similar to the B1.351 variant.

Current guidance states that even fully vaccinated individuals should continue to wear masks and social distance. What’s the logic behind that?

Operationally, it is very challenging to know who is vaccinated and who is not, so the guidance in public places likely will be slow to change until more people are vaccinated. You can’t expect a cashier to ask for proof of vaccination.

Amesh Adalja, MD, is a senior scholar at the Center for Health Security and an adjunct professor in Environmental Health and Engineering. He is also an affiliate of the Johns Hopkins Center for Global Health.

loulouljh · 18/05/2021 20:20

They have zero need for the vaccine. The long term effects are not known. I would be very unhappy for my children of this age to have it. But of course they are adults-its their call.

CarrieBlue · 18/05/2021 20:47

@ZZTopGuitarSolo - thank you

Lala134 · 19/05/2021 08:47

I am tired of reading others 'misinformation' here regarding the vaccine and cannot believe that people have any trust in this government after all of the lies and the fact they are now deliberatly letting the Indian variant in. Whatever happened to only vaccinating those at most risk? Those that caused 99% of all death and hospitalisation? Why now do we have to vaccinate everyone and kids?

We are very unlikely to get herd immunty from a coronavirus www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2021/05/03/health/covid-herd-immunity-vaccine.amp.html

Natural immunity is superior and more far reaching and includes t-cell immunity. Those that had the original SARS are still immune 17 years later thanks to t-cell immunty. Very few people get reinfected with covid (around 5%) so for most there own immunty to previous infections will be fine.

The studied conducted by the drug companies themselves did not test for transmissability and from what we can see here it doesnt look very good
'Singapore health officials said that of 28 airport workers who became infected, 19 were fully vaccinated with either the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines'
www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2021/05/14/world/asia/singapore-covid-restrictions.amp.html

There is no reason for someone young without any comorbidites to take the vaccine unless they personally want to. The risk of death and hospitalisation is minuscule and the fact the government now want to vaccinate kids while letting this new variant in makes me wonder what the end goal is here

JoRoMo · 19/05/2021 17:58

Shame to see someone reporting me for misinformation - I'm not spreading misinformation.
But I'm not going to spend any more time on Mumsnet - if people want to do their research then they need to look at credible websites such as UK Medical Freedom Alliance and HART Recovery Group. Then make up your own mind. I've done plenty of research and I'm not going anywhere near these vaccines. I take good care of my health and also my family's health - remember natural immunity? It does a great job of protecting you. Vaccines are not the only way out of this - that's just the line you've swallowed.

ZZTopGuitarSolo · 19/05/2021 20:18

@JoRoMo

Shame to see someone reporting me for misinformation - I'm not spreading misinformation. But I'm not going to spend any more time on Mumsnet - if people want to do their research then they need to look at credible websites such as UK Medical Freedom Alliance and HART Recovery Group. Then make up your own mind. I've done plenty of research and I'm not going anywhere near these vaccines. I take good care of my health and also my family's health - remember natural immunity? It does a great job of protecting you. Vaccines are not the only way out of this - that's just the line you've swallowed.
Natural immunity didn't do much for the millions who have died of Covid. Still, I imagine you think those figures are all a conspiracy too.

Glad to hear you're taking yourself away from MN and will no longer be spreading your misinformation here.

TabithaTiger · 19/05/2021 21:38

If it helps at all OP, my DS19 has has both doses (NHS). He had a sore arm and felt very tired for one day, but no problems at all other than that.