So what went wrong here (swine flu vaccine)

[MercyBooth]

I had no idea about what happened with this until a MNer mentioned it on another thread.

So many questions? What went wrong? Did they get any practical help afterwards? Are they being looked after now? Are they being made to jump through hoops for any benefits they may need? I KNOW this is a rare reaction but i dont have medical knowledge so im just trying to start a discussion.

www.buzzfeed.com/shaunlintern/these-nhs-staff-were-told-the-swine-flu-vaccine-was-safe

www.theguardian.com/world/2009/oct/11/swine-flu-pandemic-vaccine-nhs

Swine flu fears grow as NHS staff shun vaccine
This article is more than 11 years old
Health department urges frontline staff to get jab
Inoculation vital in efforts to contain pandemic
Denis Campbell, health correspondent
Sun 11 Oct 2009 22.39 BST
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The Department of Health has ordered NHS bosses across England to ensure that frontline staff get immunised against swine flu amid growing signs that many doctors and nurses intend to shun the vaccine.

Chief executives and boards who run hospitals, primary care trusts and strategic health authorities have been told to urgently maximise the number of workers having the jab. Leading DH figures including Sir Liam Donaldson, the chief medical officer, have written to them six times in the last five weeks stressing the need for action before the second wave of the pandemic causes major problems.

Ian Dalton, the NHS's national director of flu resilience, last week warned that vaccination of nurses, doctors and other frontline staff was "absolutely critical" and that widespread take-up of the jabs "will help us to save lives".

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What’s this got to do with covid?

This has been known about for a while, but has never been picked up by mainstream media and seriously questioned.

Newspapers are very selective about what they talk about.

I agree that damage from a rushed vaccine ought to be discussed and examined. But it would worry people at a time when the covid vaccines are being pushed on people. This is why we don’t hear more about what should be a national scandal.

@Overthebow You ask what this has to do with covid. Isn’t it obvious? A rushed vaccine caused known damage which has barely been acknowledged. The public are under enormous pressure to take another rushed vaccine.

@MercyBooth is not anti-vax, they just enjoy posting any scaremongering thing they can think of.

Testing protocols were changed after the very rare swine flu vaccine issues. Those protocols make other vaccines safer now.

@MercyBooth The swine flu vaccine was licensed I think? Obviously the covid vaccines are not licensed - the emergency authorisation is not the same as a license.

It is truly shocking that the NHS staff were abandoned, and have had to struggle to have their vaccine damage recognised.

This is a very good example of how adverse vaccine reactions are hushed up.

Whilst I am an advocate generally of vaccination, it's not perfect and many mistakes have been made. There have been cases of bacterial contamination of batches of vaccines or in the case of diptheria, the toxoid in the preparation reverted to the original toxin (1948, Kyoto, Japan) causing the deaths of 68 children. The Rotavirus vaccine, released in 1998, was withdrawn in 1999 as it had a rare potentially fatal side effect. A new vaccine was subsequently developed and released in 2008.

You can see a great timeline of vaccine development here:

www.historyofvaccines.org/timeline#EVT_100354

Hopefully humanity has learned from these mistakes and will continue to learn, and safety has improved. Talking about those mistakes during a pandemic is certain to bring disapproval from some quarters, though!

[quote Flyonawalk]@MercyBooth The swine flu vaccine was licensed I think? Obviously the covid vaccines are not licensed - the emergency authorisation is not the same as a license.

It is truly shocking that the NHS staff were abandoned, and have had to struggle to have their vaccine damage recognised.[/quote]
I'm sick of hearing this bullshit

THE COVID VACCINES ARE BOTH FULLY TESTED AND FULLY LICENSED/APPROVED FOR USE

This was initially done under emergency use authorisation as the UK approved them before Phase III data was published. THAT is no longer the case - the Phase III trial data is now public.

Incidentally, emergency use authorisation DOESN'T MEAN NO TESTING! It means testing and production occur concurrently, with the obvious risk that if the candidate fails the trials, the production effort is wasted. The vaccine isn't administered to anyone until the safety and efficacy data has been published.

The Swine Flu vaccine on the other hand was rushed in with minimal testing, and unfortunately there were some side effects - not many, but attention is given to them largely because in the end there was no obvious benefit - the epidemic never materialised.

Oh good, we haven't had a vaccine bashing thread for at least five minutes.

I don’t think anyone on this thread is bashing vaccines. On the contrary I expect most of us are very grateful that vaccines exist.

Questioning at the we do with our health is a necessary part of staying healthy. If the science is robust then it can withstand questioning.

Covid vaccines are approved but are not yet licensed. They are likely to be licensed in early 2023.

The short term data (which is all that is available) shows that covid vaccines are indeed very safe. There is obviously no long term data as they have not existed for long enough. It is not vaccine bashing to wait to know more about long term effects before making a judgement.

• should read Questioning what we do with our health

I had this vaccine whilst pregnant. I was aware it hadn’t been tested on pregnant women but at the time I was regularly on packed buses during my commute.
Thankfully it was all okay for both of us.

Im not anti vaxx or a scaremongerer I have my flu vaccine. Every year at Boots.

Some of the vaccine refusers might be more willing to have it if they were promised and GIVEN support IF something did go wrong. NHS workers who had to have the swine flu vaccine and had a bad reaction were just left to get on with it. This wasnt that long ago and people have long memories. Plus we also live in a country that makes people constantly have to jump through hoops for their disability benefits and prove their disabilities and illnesses over and over again. I wonder how many times those NHS workers have had to do that. And how many on here keep voting for those kinds of policies
You reap what you sow.