Vaccine passports are not factored into international travel or did I miss something ?

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Correct me if I've misunderstood, but with the new travel rules, not much has been said about whether having the vaccine actually makes travel any easier?

It's not a condition of travel and it doesn't get you out of quarantining, right ?

I just keep hearing from my European relatives that their vaccine passport will get them out of having to quarantine. I don't have many details on this and how it relates to us. The only thing Grant Shapps mentioned yesterday is that you can use the NHS app as proof of vaccination. But he didn't say why you would require that, or did I miss something ? I was trying to look after a toddlers whilst following the announcement.

www.google.com/amp/s/www.texastribune.org/2021/05/03/texas-covid-19-vaccinations/amp/

How Texas is encouraging people to get the vaccine in the face of over-supply.

DH works in Florida and his sister lives there. The vaccine is very very easy to get there. You can just walk into Walmart and get one.

Sister in law and her family live in north Colorado. It’s apparently easy to get a vaccine but only about 35% vaccinated so far. Where they live the cases are very low but there are quite high numbers in other areas of the state.

Same in US, lots of freedoms for the vaccinated. They don't have the in built reluctance to do anything that isn't fair like we do in the UK. Though I do agree that vaccination should not give extra freedoms until everyone has at least been offered it.

Really? I just got back from CA. I didn't notice those freedoms. It's pretty much the same there as it is here... a lot more mask wearing outdoors, in cars, and in places I wouldn't wear a mask (i.e. my dog walks in the meadow where there is literally nobody. I really noticed people in the middle of nowhere wearing masks).
I'm unvaccinated. There was no difference between how I was treated while going about my business in CA compared to my vaccinated family members. I was encouraged to lie and tell people I was vaccinated for fear I'd be ostracized, which was weird and wrong.

It is completely right that those who have been vaccinated don't get to do thongs those of use who haven't can't.

My risk of Covid was lower all of last year but had to abind by all the same rules as those at a higher risk (excluding those shielding). Now things have switched why should they get out of self isolating after holidays or be able to meet friends but I can't because my age bracket isn't being offered it yet.

Here's what the CDC says you can do once vaccinated
www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/fully-vaccinated.html

If you’ve been fully vaccinated:

You can gather indoors with fully vaccinated people without wearing a mask or staying 6 feet apart.

You can gather indoors with unvaccinated people of any age from one other household (for example, visiting with relatives who all live together) without masks or staying 6 feet apart, unless any of those people or anyone they live with has an increased risk for severe illness from COVID-19.

You can gather or conduct activities outdoors without wearing a mask except in certain crowded settings and venues.

If you travel in the United States, you do not need to get tested before or after travel or self-quarantine after travel.

You need to pay close attention to the situation at your international destination before traveling outside the United States.

You do NOT need to get tested before leaving the United States unless your destination requires it.

You still need to show a negative test result or documentation of recovery from COVID-19 before boarding an international flight to the United States.

You should still get tested 3-5 days after international travel.

You do NOT need to self-quarantine after arriving in the United States.

If you’ve been around someone who has COVID-19, you do not need to stay away from others or get tested unless you have symptoms.

However, if you live in a group setting (like a correctional or detention facility or group home) and are around someone who has COVID-19, you should still get tested, even if you don’t have symptoms.

What You Should Keep Doing

For now, if you’ve been fully vaccinated:

You should still protect yourself and others in many situations by wearing a mask that fits snugly against the sides of your face and doesn’t have gaps. Take this precaution whenever you are:

In indoor public settings

Gathering indoors with unvaccinated people (including children) from more than one other household

Visiting indoors with an unvaccinated person who is at increased risk of severe illness or death from COVID-19 or who lives with a person at increased risk

You should still avoid indoor large gatherings.

If you travel, you should still take steps to protect yourself and others. You will still be required to wear a mask on planes, buses, trains, and other forms of public transportation traveling into, within, or out of the United States, and in U.S. transportation hubs such as airports and stations. Fully vaccinated international travelers arriving in the United States are still required to get tested within 3 days of their flight (or show documentation of recovery from COVID-19 in the past 3 months) and should still get tested 3-5 days after their trip.

You should still watch out for symptoms of COVID-19, especially if you’ve been around someone who is sick. If you have symptoms of COVID-19, you should get tested and stay home and away from others.

You will still need to follow guidance at your workplace.

People who have a condition or are taking medications that weaken the immune system, should talk to their healthcare provider to discuss their activities. They may need to keep taking all precautions to prevent COVID-19.

Those are the federal guidelines. Different states may be doing things differently eg Texas is fully open.

From a practical POV, from next Tuesday my daughter can continue going to school even if she's been in contact with someone who has tested positive for Covid.

She can also go to work, her graduation, her senior picnic, etc.

The teachers are also no longer required to quarantine as they are all vaccinated.

@3cats4poniesandababy

It is completely right that those who have been vaccinated don't get to do thongs those of use who haven't can't.

My risk of Covid was lower all of last year but had to abind by all the same rules as those at a higher risk (excluding those shielding). Now things have switched why should they get out of self isolating after holidays or be able to meet friends but I can't because my age bracket isn't being offered it yet.

I agree it wouldn't be fair. I think however that because of the cautious approach the government ( and I agree with the approach ), a lot of people on here don't actually realise what it means when we are vaccinated and how low the risk will be ( variants of concern aside ).

Guitar solo, can I ask, why are the CDC releasing those guidelines for fully vaccinated people? When the guidelines for Joe public, is up to 6 allowed inside only after May 17th?

@Oblomov21

Guitar solo, can I ask, why are the CDC releasing those guidelines for fully vaccinated people? When the guidelines for Joe public, is up to 6 allowed inside only after May 17th?

Those guidelines you mention are for the UK, aren't they?

The CDC guidelines are for the US, where vaccine hesitancy is becoming the biggest hurdle to achieving herd immunity. Allowing vaccinated people more freedom encourages people to get the vaccine, as well as being sensible public health policy.

Ahhh sorry Duh

@ZZTopGuitarSolo,

If someone is not vaccinated and they gather indoors with fully vaccinated people without wearing a mask or staying 6 feet apart -- what is the legal criminal penalty for breaking that law?

Can they go to jail, get a $1000 fine, or what? What is the penalty? Is it a state law or a federal law?

Are there different penalties (jail, $1000 fine etc) for breaking the other laws you mentioned, like conducting activities outdoors without wearing a mask except in certain crowded settings and venues or travelling within the USA without self-testing etc. Which covid law attracts the worst punishment someone can get?

www.colorado.gov/governor/news/5036-governor-polis-amends-and-extends-mask-order

I only know about Colorado as that’s where we have family. They have had changes for those who are vaccinated.

[quote lljkk]@ZZTopGuitarSolo,

If someone is not vaccinated and they gather indoors with fully vaccinated people without wearing a mask or staying 6 feet apart -- what is the legal criminal penalty for breaking that law?

Can they go to jail, get a $1000 fine, or what? What is the penalty? Is it a state law or a federal law?

Are there different penalties (jail, $1000 fine etc) for breaking the other laws you mentioned, like conducting activities outdoors without wearing a mask except in certain crowded settings and venues or travelling within the USA without self-testing etc. Which covid law attracts the worst punishment someone can get?[/quote]
It really depends on the state and the setting.

Some states have fines and criminal charges for things like travelling without quarantining.

There has been some self-certification eg hotels will require guests to sign a form complying with quarantine/testing/vaccination guidelines.

Some states have strict rules for businesses, which if they break, they will get fined and/or closed down if they do not ensure people are complying with regulations (eg the infamous wedding in Maine last summer that led to several deaths).

So for example, if you want to be able to stay at work/school without quarantining after Covid exposure then you may need to prove your vaccination status. My children's schools are treating vaccinated vs non-vaccinated teachers/students/staff differently when they are exposed to Covid.

Some settings are simply requiring that you prove vaccination to even be allowed to take part eg my daughter was considering auditioning for an opera group this summer - they flat-out refuse to take anyone who's not vaccinated. I believe this is also the case on Broadway for actors who want to work on shows.

You may have seen that Hawaii arrested/expelled tourists who did not abide by quarantine rules.

NY State has the first Covid passport program in place, so to attend some big events you have to prove your vaccination or test status.

When DD and I visited a university recently I was able to opt out of the testing process by providing my vaccination status.

It varies widely. Some of it is guidelines, some of it is laws, some of it is simply that organisations will not accept people who are not vaccinated or tested.