Just had second dose of AZ and got a shock to read

[Flissitytricity]

Have had both doses with no side effects so that is good but with my 2nd dose I was given some information sheets and this was included in the section "Contents of the pack and other information"

Recombinant, replication-deficient chimpanzee adenovirus vector encoding the SARS CoV 2 Spike (S) glycoprotein. Produced in genetically modified human embryonic kidney (HEK) 293 cells. This product contains genetically modified organisms (GMOs).

I saw the word "chimpanzee" and would like anyone who can possibly explain to me, is this simply research experiments on chimpanzees or something entirely different?

[quote Bellyups]@HelpMeh I read somewhere that the genetic modified human embryonic kidney was from an aborted foetus[/quote]
I thought it was just the Johnson and Johnson which involved an aborted foetus - but I haven't paid too much attention - I did rea stur Catholic Church was advising people to accept the vaccine.

A full and medical (albeit American MD) explanation about the rumours of aborted foetus:

Question
Do the COVID-19 vaccines contain aborted fetal cells?
Answer from infectious diseases expert James Lawler, MD
No, the COVID-19 vaccines do not contain any aborted fetal cells.

However, Pfizer and Moderna did perform confirmation tests (to ensure the vaccines work) using fetal cell lines. And Johnson & Johnson uses fetal cell lines in vaccine development, confirmation and production.
But it's important to have the full context: Fetal cell lines are not the same as fetal tissue.
Fetal cell lines are cells that grow in a laboratory. They descend from cells taken from elective abortions in the 1970s and 1980s. Those individual cells from the 1970s and 1980s have since multiplied into many new cells over the past four or five decades, creating fetal cell lines. Current fetal cell lines are thousands of generations removed from the original fetal tissue. They do not contain any tissue from a fetus.
Vaccine makers may use these fetal cell lines in any of the following three stages of vaccine development:
Development: Identifying what works
Confirmation: Making sure it works
Production: Manufacturing the formula that works
When it comes to the COVID-19 vaccines currently approved for emergency use, neither the Pfizer nor Moderna vaccines used fetal cell lines during the development or production phases. (So, no fetal cell lines were used to manufacture the vaccine, and they are not inside the injection you receive from your doctor.) However, both companies used the fetal cell line HEK 293 in the confirmation phase to ensure the vaccines work. All HEK 293 cells are descended from tissue taken from a 1973 elective abortion that took place in the Netherlands.
The Johnson & Johnson vaccine is a bit different. It is an adenovirus vector vaccine. (Adenovirus is the virus that causes the common cold. The virus in this vaccine has been changed so that it does NOT cause illness.) With this type of vaccine, a carrier, in this case adenovirus, acts as a delivery vehicle. The adenovirus has had the coronavirus spike protein added to its DNA. The adenovirus carries that genetic material into your body, delivering its modified DNA to your cells. Your cells will then make the spike protein, activating your immune system. Once activated, your immune system creates antibodies to fight off the spike protein. Learn more about the Johnson & Johnson vaccine.
To make their virus vector vaccine, Johnson & Johnson infects PER.C6 fetal cell line cells with adenovirus. All PER.C6 cells used to manufacture the Johnson & Johnson vaccine are descended from tissue taken from a 1985 elective abortion that also took place in the Netherlands. They use this cell line because it is a well-studied industry standard for safe and reliable production of viral vector vaccines.
None of the COVID-19 vaccines in development use fetal cells taken from recent abortions.
We understand this topic is very sensitive and important within communities of faith. We want everyone to feel like they are making a fully informed decision. We encourage anyone with concerns about the use of fetal cell lines in vaccine development to weigh the risks and benefits of the COVID-19 vaccines with their doctor and have a personal conversation with a faith leader.
The Vatican has issued clear guidance that permits Roman Catholics in good faith to receive COVID-19 vaccines that use fetal cell lines in development or production. Read the Vatican's comments on the morality of receiving a COVID-19 vaccine.

You're bothered by the chimp but not the foetus?

I think it’s chimp adenovirus cultured from chimp poo.

@Bagelsandbrie

Not sure why you’re shocked, it’s been widely explained in the news since before the launch of the vaccine. If you google it you’ll find loads of explanations.

Yeah this. I mean it's been everywhere so in all honesty this poster isn't the only one who is baffled by your surprise.

[quote Flissitytricity]@Tambora

Er... well we do now! No need for the attitude. It was just the word Chimpanzee which surprised me.[/quote]
Sorry, I wasn't having a go at you

It's just that there are lots of people out there who believe all sorts. Ultra long-winded scientific terminology doesn't help matters either, does it?

I’ve been feeling a bit “chimpish” since my vaccination

@HelpMeh

I'd be raising my eyebrows more at the "genetically modified human embryonic kidney" bit, personally! I'm half vaccinated so my planet of the apes style transformation has no doubt already begun.

I'm vaccinated. That's all I need to know.

😂😂😂

You just need to make sure that you're not gaining hair all over your body and your arms aren't getting longer...

@Tambora

Er... do people still not know where the word 'vaccine' comes from?

I actually didn't, but do now, so thanks for that nudge.

@FeatheredHope

That's really interesting, thanks for posting that.

I'm a biomedical scientist and what @FeatheredHope provided is exactly what I would have put, albeit better worded.

@bunburyscucumbersandwich

You just need to make sure that you're not gaining hair all over your body and your arms aren't getting longer...

If new hair growth were a publicised side effect, DP would have been first in the queue, rather than only having it this coming Tuesday.

He already plays guitar like a gorilla, though. Add on that and his guitar will be dragging across the floor...

If DH already has gorilla arms and is hairy, is it safe for him?

Other nonsensical questions are available on request.

The research that underpins this mechanism for vaccination has been going on for decades and is one of the reasons why a vaccine was able to be developed quickly. It’s just that doesn’t fit the narrative of those who like to claim it’s been ‘rushed’.

OP, think of it like when we inoculated against smallpox using cowpox. We weren't using the cow itself.

OP I now have a vision of you settling yourself down with a big mug of PG Tips

Made me feel odd reading that as I had mine on Thursday and it made me really unwell, my arm is still really painful to the touch too.

Oh well, I am going for my second AZ jab later on, and didn't know about any chimp bits. but I have to go to a large ASDA place to have the jab,so better not venture near to the fruit section, near to the Bananas.

Why would anyone take an experimental mrna therapy. I understand the A-Level version of the mechincs of a cell, obviously it's so much more complicated. No way though, something that codes a certain spike protein in every cell of my body, which authorities are not liable for any kind of unintended consequences. Yeah sounds really sensible for a disease with a smal fatality rate.

@Tambora

Er... do people still not know where the word 'vaccine' comes from?

Huh? What’s that got to do with the chimpanzee part of her question?

@PicsInRed

OP, think of it like when we inoculated against smallpox using cowpox. We weren't using the cow itself.

Isn’t OP asking “why a chimpanzee?”

This vaccine has nothing in common with the cowpox/smallpox model.

@RosesAndHellebores

OP I now have a vision of you settling yourself down with a big mug of PG Tips

Some people report getting a drink and biscuit following the vaccine - like when you donate blood. I'd be interested to know what type of teabags were used. You could be on to something here... 🤔😉

@Speedymarie

This vaccine has nothing in common with the cowpox/smallpox model.

It does, in that it's been developed using a descendent of a disease found in an animal..