India and vaccination data. What % of people who have died or been hospitalised have had the vaccine?

[CoffeandPancakes]

Hi,

Like everyone else, I'm watching and reading the news in absolute horror. The scenes are like that of a nightmare. I can't quite take it in.

What is the data telling us so far? Do we know yet if it's looking like this variant is breaking through the vaccines?

My impression is they can barely keep up with counting their dead let alone working something like that out, unfortunately. Not in any reliable way. I don't believe there is the sense that it is evading the vaccine though, no. From what I've read so far.

I have tried and failed to find this info.

However, we do know that India has only vaccinated a tiny proportion of its population so far (even though the actual numbers vaccinated are high iyswim).

I believe that there is some evidence to suggest that India's own vaccine, covaxin, appears to be effective against the new Indian variant. Not sure yet about covishield (which is essentially AZ).

There is no reason to presume yet that the vaccines aren't working.

And yy to what @FreyaFolkvangr said about the lack of reliable data. It seems pretty clear that case numbers and death numbers are significantly higher than reported. I doubt anyone really knows about vaccination rates amongst the hospitalised.

So sad

I don't know the answer about vaccinated people in hospital, but there is very good news about vaccines.

Covaxin appears to work on Kent, Brazil and India variants: www.indiatoday.in/amp/coronavirus-outbreak/story/covaxin-neutralises-uk-brazil-variants-double-mutant-sars-cov-2-icmr-1793414-2021-04-21.

We know all the other vaccines Pfizer, Moderna and AZ work well against the Kent variant and that lab tests suggest they will have only a mild reduction in efficacy from Brazil variant but still have an immune response. So it looks fairly positive so far. More mutations may arise from here and add problems, but at the moment any vaccine is a good vaccine.

India has vaccinated just under 10% of the population

covidvax.live/

I think you need to get up to 20% before it starts to make a measurable difference

I posted this on another thread.

Nearly 100 million people have received the Indian version of Oxford/AZ.

Currently there have only been around 17,000 reports of people testing positive after vaccination - around 0.02%

So it seems that the vaccines are so far holding up well, it’s just that so far only a very small % of India’s HUGE population has been vaccinated.

twitter.com/sailorrooscout/status/1384831760668692483?s=21

It's so sad as they thought they'd got rid of Covid at the end of last year. Sadly they had a lot of bug events(the cricket against England for starters& lots of religious ones) and it all took off again 🥲

From what I've read/heard it's a VOI here, but not (yet) a VOC. we are doing as much testing as we can, part of the issue is the double mutant variant, the single mutant variation appears(so far) to be non vaccine escaping.

All of the cases here are directly imported from India and as yet none are community cases.

We need better testing at the airport and whatever support people need to isolate when they arrive back here (preferably not to go!). Again, too little - too late, but as of tomorrow everyone coming back from India should be in hotel quarantine - so that's a (slow) start.

Posted by this on the other thread, but thought I'd share it here as well. A preliminary study has shown that covishield (AZ vaccine) appears to protect against the double mutant Indian strain.

Vaccination rates aren't really high enough in India for it to make a massive difference to the awful news that is currently unfolding, but it's probably good news for us here in the UK.

@paralysedbyinertia, do you have a link?

@CoffeandPancakes

m.timesofindia.com/india/covishield-may-protect-against-double-mutant-ccmb-report/amp_articleshow/82206892.cms

I’m sure I seen hospitalisation rates for India published in some newspapers. You would need to google to find it. Reddit boards have good links for international reports.

That’s encouraging!

Mac n' Chise has also tweeted about it. (She is a great person to follow if you're interested in vaccine news).

www.thehansindia.com/amp/life-style/health/vaccination-works-effectively-well-data-reveal-low-infection-rates-among-people-who-got-covid-19-doses-683056
This says 0.4% covaxin and 0.3% covishield (AZ) are known to have become infected after both jabs.

People need to remember India has 1.4 billion people. It’s a very different animal to the Uk with its 60 odd million. And their vaccine program is very slow.

@paralysedbyinertia

Posted by this on the other thread, but thought I'd share it here as well. A preliminary study has shown that covishield (AZ vaccine) appears to protect against the double mutant Indian strain.

Vaccination rates aren't really high enough in India for it to make a massive difference to the awful news that is currently unfolding, but it's probably good news for us here in the UK.

Don't make the mistake that this is a binary thing. All the covid vaccines will have some effect against ALL the variants and that is all that is being demonstrated here.

What matters is %'s - how much do they reduce symptomatic infections, how much serious infections, how much do they reduce transmission? The numbers will be different for every variant and for every vaccine.

India are currently struggling with high numbers of serious illnesses because of the sheer number of infections they're dealing with. The fact they're vaccination program is still early days doesn't help, nor does their poor health care system. What they DON'T have is a killer variant!

The biggest concern about the Indian variant is that it will still be able to spread via vaccinated people, i.e. its infectiousness is unaffected - as with the SA variant. If it spreads here, then no chance of herd-immunity.

Second to that is the concern that the protection against serious illness will be reduced. A lot of vaccinated people will still die if infected with current UK strains. Bring on a slight reduction in protection and that number of deaths goes up.

The news footage is grim, so many people are dying because their health service is overwhelmed and oxygen supplies are low everywhere. It's like watching scenes from a horror film, but this is actual reality for the people of India. Sadly, it will probably get worse before it gets better. I feel so lucky to be living in the UK right now.

All of the cases here are directly imported from India and as yet none are community cases

Unfortunately, this is no longer true

news.sky.com/story/covid-19-indian-coronavirus-variant-now-being-transmitted-within-uk-after-cases-not-linked-to-travel-detected-12284744

With that many infected isnt it just going to be a breeding ground for new nasty mutations. It's actually scared me more then anything I've seen on the news so far. It was like the start of a horror film where they show the news reels before the dystopian chaos unfolds. It's really triggered me tonight which is why I've come here to at least talk about it as bf just doesn't want to know. The poor families my heart breaks :*(

@UnmentionedElephantDildo, I hope people read the whole article you have linked.

In summary, this is not unexpected and we should not see a surge in hospitalisation and deaths.