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This is so fucking sick for the elderly and vulnerable

54 replies

Tealightsandd · 18/04/2021 14:20

They won't get another chance to make up for lost time.

Ian McKellen says Covid has robbed him of ‘last few years of capability’

www.independent.co.uk/topic/ian-mckellen

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pinkearedcow · 19/04/2021 10:26

Thanks for posting this OP. It makes a change from threads berating the elderly and vulnerable for being a drain on the country and the cause of the lockdown.

My disabled DH has not had covid, but even so the past year has been detrimental to him. Not being able to go to the gym to use specialist exercise equipment has meant a deterioration in what little mobility he has left. I expect there are thousands of people in this situation.

savethegrannies · 19/04/2021 11:00

It's been shit for everybody - no doubt.
Difference is it will REMAIN shit for anybody who is not a pensioner as they will be paying for this for years to come in terms of higher taxes, lack of job opportunities, whole industries disappearing etc etc.
The elderly have been needlessly robbed of a year of their lives.
The young have been robbed of their futures.

pinkearedcow · 19/04/2021 11:39

Difference is it will REMAIN shit for anybody who is not a pensioner as they will be paying for this for years to come in terms of higher taxes, lack of job opportunities, whole industries disappearing etc etc

Many pensioners need social care which has been cut during the pandemic and won't be reinstated any time soon. Many pensioners rely on income-related benefits which might be frozen. Many pensioners pay tax and so will be hit by higher taxes, same as the rest of us.

We will all suffer post-pandemic one way or another, stop pretending pensioners will get off scot free.

pinkearedcow · 19/04/2021 11:44

(Apart from the elite of course, who are making a mint out of this whole disaster).

Heysiriyouknob · 19/04/2021 11:48

@pinkearedcow

(Apart from the elite of course, who are making a mint out of this whole disaster).
It's quite staggering when you look into it.
LadyCatStark · 19/04/2021 12:07

It’s even more shit for my 40 odd year old colleague who is now dying of terminal cancer and leaving behind 2 primary age children thanks to not being able to get NHS care. She has neither lived her full life or has time to make up for what she’s lost.

FailedActor · 19/04/2021 12:36

I agree that elderly people (especially those living in care homes) have been treated terribly by the government.

It's not a race to the bottom no but it is fair to point out that this pandemic has shown the huge levels of inequality in this country. Some people and some groups of people have been financially protected at the expense of lives, while vulnerable groups have been discarded.

The treatment of disabled people (who make up 60% of all Covid deaths) and the fact so many disabled people have been denied access to medical treatment, had their care needs cut off, and fallen into poverty, should be a huge scandal. The Tories want the disabled to die and it's not a race to the bottom to point that out.

FailedActor · 19/04/2021 12:42

However.

I work in theatre. Theatre and the acting industry have been decimated by the pandemic. Nearly all actors are freelancers and most actors haven't been eligible for either furlough or SEISS freelancer support scheme. A huge percentage of theatre freelancers have had to quit the industry and many will likely never return. There is a very real risk that acting and writing will become careers only for people from wealthy backgrounds. Already people who work in these industries are deeply concerned that we'll experience a "talent gap" in 5-10 years, because so many of the emerging artists who are the TV stars - actors, writers and directors - of tomorrow, have had to leave the industry. And maybe most people don't care about theatre, but theatre is where tomorrow's TV and film actors and writers get their start and get their training.

These are important issues. Entertainment (whether Netflix or National Theatre at Home) has saved millions of people's lives or at least sanities during lockdown. Entertainment is not trivial. Creative freelancers matter. Actors matter. Who wants to live in a world with no theatre, no TV, no film? Or only the same boring generic TV made by and starring the same faces?

Ian McKellan is right to talk about this. But it sticks in my craw that he's framing it as something that's been taken from him and other wealthy celebrities personally. The fact is, the pandemic has created a huge divide within acting just as it has in everything. This has always been a problem, the industry is afraid to take risks which is why you see the same tiny number of faces in everything. The pandemic has only made that worse.

I can tell you for a fact Ian McKellan could have worked all through the pandemic if he'd wanted to. Digital theatre started up practically the second we went into lockdown. TV production continued. There were outdoor stage productions last summer. Look at things like the Talking Heads monologue series on TV, filmed at the height of lockdown. Or the BBC series Staged. I don't believe Ian McKellan wasn't being deluged with offers to act in things like that, and maybe he doesn't want to do them which is fair, but it's his choice to turn those acting offers down. Most actors don't have that choice.

Hell, the second lockdown restrictions were lightened last summer, one of the most influential theatre production companies in the UK immediately started working on a double bill of Hamlet and the Cherry Orchard, which would have been the first major theatre show post-lockdown. They started rehearsals, and the actual production will now open in September. Those productions? Star Ian bloody McKellen! He basically landed the most plum role in theatre, and was actively rehearsing, at a time when 99% of actors were out of work and looking at an uncertain and bleak future.

How can you complain you've been "robbed" of your acting career when you're literally in the middle of playing Hamlet?

Aroundtheworldin80moves · 19/04/2021 12:57

I saw my parents a couple of weeks ago. They seem a lot older visibly than a year ago. Not sure if it's not seeing them for months making it appear more pronounced, or the stress over the past year.

My mum was excitedly making plans for having DDs for a week in the summer... But I think it will be too much for them, even though at 8&10 they aren't needy (and my brother lives with them).

But it's been rubbish for all sorts of people. Definitely 'lost talent' in sports and arts.

pinkearedcow · 19/04/2021 12:59

Excellent post @FailedActor - and illustrates again that the "elite" will be fine, it's the rest of us who suffer.

My heart goes out to all of those in the arts whose careers have been decimated. The Tories don't really give a toss.

idontlikealdi · 19/04/2021 13:00

My parents have ages horrendously in the last year. They've become so introverted. Step dad in particular has become terrified of the real world, he is ECV. They're only mid 70s.

It's been shit for everyone.

PerseverancePays · 19/04/2021 13:20

An actor through and through! At the end of a long and successful career and still moaning that he didn’t get more. What an entitled jerk. How about practicing a little gratitude, how about the bonus that you got not just any old age, but an excellent one? This is on a par with Prince Charles having a whinge that his morning eggs are not quite right for his privileged spoilt self.
We don’t need to hear the entitled elite complaining about anything.

MsTSwift · 19/04/2021 13:36

Think mid life in happy family in secure job have had it easiest. Really can’t complain. I feel most sorry for 17-21 age when you want to break free see your friends go to university and travel the world.

I don’t feel that sorry for Ian mcewan demographic if my parents anything to go by they have had years of travel and have nice houses.

Tealightsandd · 19/04/2021 17:17

the young have been robbed of their futures

Hopefully not. It depends on what treatments we develop for long covid.

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Tealightsandd · 19/04/2021 17:21

I do agree though savethegrannies that decades of ableism have robbed many young disabled of their futures.

We can only hope that post pandemic things improve for the disabled and long term ill of all ages. Including the CEV children, who have had to shield for the past year.

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MercyBooth · 20/04/2021 00:06

www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/scots-care-home-resident-held-23937350

Scots care home resident ‘held down and vaccinated against her will’ as two workers suspended
The Care Inspectorate warned that unless there is marked improvement at Millport Care Centre it will cancel the home’s registration.

NiceGerbil · 20/04/2021 00:56

'Ian McKellen says Covid has robbed him of ‘last few years of capability’'

I took your OP to mean he had been really hit hard by covid and was very ill, unable to do day to day stuff.

'As theatres plan to reopen in the coming months, the 82-year-old actor is returning to the stage in an age-blind production of Hamlet, in which he will play the titular Shakespearean lead.'

Phew!

I think it's a sightly peculiar example to pick tbh.

StarCat2020 · 22/04/2021 16:32

Hopefully not. It depends on what treatments we develop for long covid
Many who haven't had Covid have lost their futures through unemployment.

Please don't say that they should "get a job" because it really isn't that easy right now

Colourcones · 22/04/2021 17:16

Well younger people may be paying for covid in their taxes savethegrannies. I wonder who paid for the WW2 with their taxes? The pensioners of today. Each generation pays taxes for the "mistakes" of the one before.

harridan50 · 22/04/2021 17:28

It has been awful for many age groups for a variety of reasons. As the mother of young people they have gone above and beyond for a virus that is not a serious illness for them. It has affected everyone

OnlyFoolsnMothers · 22/04/2021 17:30

You’re missing the point, on the whole the young isolated and sacrificed for others, the elderly and vulnerable isolated and sacrificed for themselves as they were most at risk. That’s the difference!

Tealightsandd · 22/04/2021 18:01

@harridan50

It has been awful for many age groups for a variety of reasons. As the mother of young people they have gone above and beyond for a virus that is not a serious illness for them. It has affected everyone
Oh right yeah. Because of course young CV and CEV don't exist....or do you mean, those young don't matter?
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Tealightsandd · 22/04/2021 18:06

@OnlyFoolsnMothers

You’re missing the point, on the whole the young isolated and sacrificed for others, the elderly and vulnerable isolated and sacrificed for themselves as they were most at risk. That’s the difference!
Your post doesn't make sense. The "others" you refer to - "the elderly and vulnerable." Who are the other group, who aren't elderly but are vulnerable, Only fools? They're not elderly, so.... that's right... they're....the young...
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limegreenbogie · 22/04/2021 18:09

The elderly and cev didn't isolate for themselves, they isolated to prevent the nhs being overwhelmed allowing the young and non cev to be treated. You have it completely the wrong way round @OnlyFoolsnMothers

GiveMeTulipsfromAmsterdam · 22/04/2021 18:13

@Flyonawalk

Millions in the U.K. are vulnerable to normal viruses in any given year, including two and a half million people per year living with cancer. They have always left to manage their own risks, and have often had to live severely limited lives.

It saddens me that society in general didn’t notice the vulnerable until 2020.

This.

There have always been vulnerable people in care homes, vulnerable elderly, vulnerable disabled with little money, little life choices and no one noticed before. Hopefully people will help out, vote, speak out for social changes rather than the usual greed is good....