Summer holidays abroad...

[ThornAmongstRoses]

Me, DH, FIL and my two children are due to fly out to Turkey at the end of July.

Apparently Turkey have said that are “accepting UK tourists with open arms” and do not require them to be vaccinated or to produce a negative test prior to travel.

My husband thinks this is great news and is jumping up and firm for joy....

I on the other hand am not.

I’ve been vaccinated but something about Turkey’s “open arms” approach just makes me nervous.

I don’t know much about situation in Turkey but I’d be concerned about potential red list and being stuck in hotel quarantine

How late can you cancel or move?

Don't tell me you've never done it.

Of course I have "huffed" but I have never just dismissed serious concerns expressed by my husband and told him that I was going to ignore him and do what I wanted regardless. You obviously have a different approach to relationships, and that's fine if it works for you and yours.

Anyway, I don't think this is really helping the OP, so I'll leave you to it now.

@paralysedbyinertia

Don't tell me you've never done it.

Of course I have "huffed" but I have never just dismissed serious concerns expressed by my husband and told him that I was going to ignore him and do what I wanted regardless. You obviously have a different approach to relationships, and that's fine if it works for you and yours.

Anyway, I don't think this is really helping the OP, so I'll leave you to it now.

Why do you keep digging at me about my relationship I don't have this issue.

Maybe op is dismissing him?

I wouldn't go to turkey full stop.

But that aside I'm not travelling abroad this year because of the risk of situation changing when there. I don't want a week abroad where I may have to isolate there and the isolate again in uk for 10 days.

Or pay for pcr tests or even pay for a hotel quarantine on return.

And also looking at the length of queues on return with limited numbers in airports I've no desire to do that after a week holiday even if up until then I've simply enjoy laying in the sun, swimming and eating!

Why do you keep digging at me about my relationship I don't have this issue.

Because you seem to be normalising this sort of response to a difference of opinion. I'm glad you don't have that issue.

@paralysedbyinertia

Why do you keep digging at me about my relationship I don't have this issue.

Because you seem to be normalising this sort of response to a difference of opinion. I'm glad you don't have that issue.

I'm not normalising it I'm just pointing that huffing isn't agressive and most people do it. I don't need to normalise it because it is normal.

I note you just ignore that op might play any kind of part in this. Wonder why.

I note you just ignore that op might play any kind of part in this. Wonder why.

Because the OP hasn't said anything to indicate that she has or that she hasn't played a part. Of course, she might have been aggressive and nasty about it, but what's the point of speculating? Every single situation on MN is reported from one point of view. I tend to take people at face value unless there is clear evidence in their post that indicates that they are not giving the full story.

Personally, I would be upset if my dh reacted so dismissively to me expressing serious concerns about a safety issue that had the potential to impact on our whole family. If DH felt that my fears were illogical or unfounded, then I hope that he would discuss this with me rationally and respectfully, rather than simply dismissing my concerns and threatening to ignore them. Hence my comment that he sounded horrible. I am entitled to that opinion. You clearly disagree, but I don't really know why you seem so determined to pick an argument with me.

I wouldn't be wanting to go to Turkey simply as it isn't somewhere I'm bothered about going to.

But going abroad itself wouldn't bother me. We went to,Europe last summer, as did Dd. All was fine.

By the summer I'll be fully vaccinated, as will dh. Dd will probably have had one vaccine, but maybe not the second til October.

We are staying in England this summer as I wanted to book something and it was too uncertain at the time. The cost of staying in England was surprising high. We could have gone long haul for how much it's costing.

We have a holiday to Florida booked for October half term and will be going if we are allowed to go legally and without quarantine. I teach so can't self isolate. Dh and Dd could if necessary. It's looking like America will be fine re quarantine at the moment. And we can cancel for free (move flights or get voucher refund) up to a couple of weeks or do a date/flight change to 2 hours before we fly if it's looking dodgy.

We are hoping to go to Scotland in May half term (moved holiday from last year) so just waiting to know if we can cross the England/Scotland border by then. If we can we will be going, flying there and back and staying in hotels. By then I'll be fully vaccinated and dh will be partially done.

I'd move a break/holiday abroad (special occasion would be our excuse this year!), but to be honest I don't think either of us would feel comfortable. Could the holiday date be changed to later in the year/next year, would your DH consider that. It might cost a transfer fee, but better to do it when you can enjoy it (as much as you can at the moment).

It doesn't mean you can't get a break in sometime this year, but maybe in the UK. We went away a couple of times last year, booked a short while before in areas we felt comfortable going.

Hope you can find a compromise.

@WombatChocolate

JasJas, I just started another thread asking why it is people want to go this summer. You’re obviously keen to go despite the current circumstances. Is it just that you love a holiday so much that you aren’t worried about bringing it back or undoing some of the good work that’s happened by lockdown reducing it?

Or is it because other countries will allow travel or we let people in, you think your personal contribution by travelling or not makes no difference? Just interested.

Yes i do, IF the govt was taking active measures to ensure we stopped flights into the country right now and prevented the importation of CV variants then sure, i'd be willing to do my bit but they are not, 150k people have come into the country since flight quarantines introduced and no one knows what happened to them....if they quarantined/CV status etc even now, with a mutant strain in India, Bojo's priority is keeping their govt sweet...not us safe.

So whats the point in not doing something that is legal and encouraged via BJ's Roadmap?

I'd be more concerned about quarantine on the return or very long queues at the airport given the Borders Agency cannot manage summer holiday demand in normal times, let alone this year.

Awh nice baseless personal dig in there.

There is nothing agressive about huffing ffs. Don't tell me you've never done it.

Sounds like he just wants to have a nice holiday with his family. What an utter bastard, eh.

We don't know whether op is happy to have a civilised discussion do we or if she's just saying no or huffing agressively herself.

hehehe Hi OP's husband - how's it going??

@springblossom2

Awh nice baseless personal dig in there.

There is nothing agressive about huffing ffs. Don't tell me you've never done it.

Sounds like he just wants to have a nice holiday with his family. What an utter bastard, eh.

We don't know whether op is happy to have a civilised discussion do we or if she's just saying no or huffing agressively herself.

hehehe Hi OP's husband - how's it going??

I'm definitely not ops husband. How about a useful contribution to the discussion?

DH is adamant that if Turkey allows us in then he’ll be going with the children even if I don’t want to go. The be fair it cost us almost £2’500 so I can understand why he wouldn’t want to lose that by just not going.

I guess we’ll have to see what happens nearer the time. Personally I don’t think it’ll be going ahead anyway.

It isn't just about what Turkey allows. They can say until the cows come home that they welcome UK travellers with open arms but the UK government may not be welcoming you back in with open arms!

I would just stay silent about this OP, until you know what will be allowed and what won't. Personally, unless the situation changes soon, I don't see travel to Turkey being permitted any time in the near future.

OP I did read in the papers recently that Turkey are vaccinating workers who work in the Tourism sector as a priority, if that helps calm your nerves. Also the Mirror today have suggested it would be unlikely for Turkey to be on the red list due to political reasons (bit like the India situation at the moment) but may be on the amber list instead which is 10 days quarantine at home (or pay for a 'Fit for release' test on day 5 to end it early). Not bad for those wfh but will obviously impact on those who don't/students.
If you're staying in a resort/not mingling with the public and it is full of Brits (many of whom would have been vaccinated), chances of catching the virus will be quite low I would have thought. Wear mask indoors, social distance from others and stay outdoors in the fresh air as much as possible. Best of luck with whatever happens.

Article from the Mirror www.google.com/amp/s/www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/eight-countries-could-added-green-23934428.amp