Most within two weeks... most?!

[onthetracks]

Recent articles about the clots and AZ vaccine suggest that “most” have happened within two weeks following the vaccine.

So does this mean that some have happened after this period.

I have my first dose 4 weeks ago. I’m prone to headaches.
But at what stage can we brush off any worry of a clot from the vaccine? Weeks, months? 🤷🏻‍♀️

Op have you started other threads around your health anxiety?

0,5% is 5 in a 1000, or 1 in 200.
I really want to know where this risk, for women under 50 even, has been reported in relation to the Astra Zeneca vaccine.

It hasn't been reported, this is a misunderstanding. The risk of clots has been reported as being 0.5 people in 100,000 for 40-49 year olds, so about 1 in 200,000. At least, that's my understanding.

The risk from covid for the same age group is significantly higher.

Surely the risk of a blood clot from a flight can’t be 10%? So on one plane of 180 that means 18 of them would get a blood clot? I’m never flying again if that’s the case!

@MummyPop00

‘0,5% is 5 in a 1000, or 1 in 200. I really want to know where this risk, for women under 50 even, has been reported in relation to the Astra Zeneca vaccine.’

It hasn’t. According to a PP, that’s the risk of a DVT after flying.

So, please explain: Funny observation to risk assessment when people belittle a 0.5% chance of a DVT in defence of a vaccine, but then cack their pants over similar odds (or less/much less if younger) falling seriously ill/dying of Covid

Did you mean to say that people are belittling a 0,5% chance of DVT after flying to defend a vaccine?
Care to explain your logic? And your post above?

I’m saying people are comparatively nonchalant over a 0.5% chance of a DVT, because they choose to fly anyway, but then seem to be more scared over Covid when the risks are at worst broadly similar or actually considerably less if you are younger (majority of posters on MN)

@MummyPop00

I’m saying people are comparatively nonchalant over a 0.5% chance of a DVT, because they choose to fly anyway, but then seem to be more scared over Covid when the risks are at worst broadly similar or actually considerably less if you are younger (majority of posters on MN)

But you mentioned the vaccine in the middle earlier on.

Just really trying to understand where you're getting at, particularly as you seem to be trying to berate some people, but I'm not sure what for. Maybe it's me.

@lweji

No, it’s not you, it’s me

Just making wry observations on how people assess risk that’s all. 0.5% seems to be acceptable if all of the 0.5% aren’t dropping dead soon after their flights from their DVTs I suppose.

Wonder how far the DVT risk would have to creep up for people to actually stop flying?

[quote MummyPop00]@lweji

No, it’s not you, it’s me

Just making wry observations on how people assess risk that’s all. 0.5% seems to be acceptable if all of the 0.5% aren’t dropping dead soon after their flights from their DVTs I suppose.

Wonder how far the DVT risk would have to creep up for people to actually stop flying?[/quote]
I agree with you that people's assessment of risk is way off.
For the most part, we don't even know what the actual risk is.

I conducted a more objective assessment for example, when my baby wouldn't sleep well on his back. From reading advice, it seemed like sleeping belly down was almost a death sentence. The risk of cot death was very low, even if it doubled when sleeping belly down. There are many other factors, and an evaluation would put my baby at a very low risk anyway. Still, in the few occasions I did let him sleep belly down, I did get anxious.

Risk perception is very much media and headline driven. And it can be really difficult to shake off, even if your brain can recognise that the risk is low.

I don't understand all the references to DVT risk from flights. I have done a lot of long haul flights in my time, and I was concerned about the risk of clots, but I was also very aware of things that I could do to reduce the risks - wearing flight socks/loose clothes, moving around regularly and doing exercises in my seat, staying hydrated, avoiding alcohol etc.

As far as I'm aware, there is nothing comparable that I can do to reduce any risk of clots from the vaccine, so I don't find the comparison particularly relevant or helpful.

I know that the risk of blood clots is much higher overall, but I was always confident that it was a manageable risk. I don't think the vaccine risk is manageable in the same way, although I still think the vaccine is worth having because the risks of not taking it are much greater.

I think the point I'm making is that we should be focusing on the relative risks of taking or not taking the vaccine, rather than people's tolerance for random other risks that they may or may not consider comparable.

The risk of clots from the vaccine is also much lower. It is a specific type of clotting that has caused most deaths, btw, not DVT, and hence why I was questioning this. And it is not clear how many deaths were actually related to the vaccine.

People have made comparisons with several other factors associated with clots, including flights and the pill, which people still take despite the known risks.
So far, the association with the vaccine seems to be with women and younger ages (not solid data, because the numbers are still small), and some countries have restricted the AZ vaccine to older people, so to reduce the risk.
Eventually, it may be possible to identify more specific risk factors, so that we know who should avoid the AZ vaccine.

Having said that, it may not be exclusive to the AZ vaccine.

And a definitive cause-effect relationship has not been established. Which is not to say that we should not be careful.

But, as you say, we can do our best to avoid getting COVID for example, even if the risk of clotting is higher, so our personal risk for clots associated with COVID will be very low because our risk of catching COVID is low, and we are being proactive in avoiding that risk. But getting the vaccine is "meeting" the risk head on. There is a psychological difference that is important. You have to make a choice to take the risk, even if it is smaller.
I can appreciate that, even if I think the risk is worth it.

You have to make a choice to take the risk, even if it is smaller. I can appreciate that, even if I think the risk is worth it.

Yes, I think this sums it up very well.

I think that reseaech says that the risk is around the first jab ? Anyone confirm.?

@Waroftherosesandsome, yes, every one of the 79 cases reported in the UK so far was after the first dose.

Obviously, there are far fewer second doses that have been given so far, but no reports as yet, so that's promising.

I am annoyed by the way this is being handled

Loads of stuff

The BBC was (not sure if still is) being really coy about the risk seeming to be predominantly for women (not sure why)

The oh Corona is more likely to kill you, but this is young women we're talking about. Newsnight figures seemed to think for younger age groups the vaccine risk was marginally higher
And what really gets me. The pill has loads of possible side effects. As it's so useful in society these are just accepted. Long term implants are put in young girls. The way they say so casually oh the risk of the pill is higher so why worry... Seems a bit shit to me.
Also it's early days and this risk was not anticipated. Could it manifest down the line? If it's related to hormonal contraception then that's an awful lot of women.

I've had the first jab which was AZ and I'll have the second. But my view is the way this is being handled is just crappy.