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[OneofPansPeople]

Can a hairdresser legally refuse to serve non mask wearers ?

I would hope that if this ends up in a legal challenge, the averse hairdresser would be protected. They are being asked to risk their own health by working on an unmasked client. It really is like asking someone allergic to dogs to work with someone with a guide dog. It’s not discrimination, they just have competing rights and aren’t a good match.

It can’t be that hard to find a hairdresser that is low risk enough from Covid that they are comfortable working on an unmasked client and can make arrangements to do so early or late on the day so the salon can be empty of other people.

The vampire - I saw the sage report of a few days ago which said 1 in 370 have Covid currently. Have to say I was surprised at that figure. All over bbc sky news etc sites.

It is discrimination though look on gov website and see the facts.
Doubt in real like these people saying they would refuse to do their hair would say anything anyway 😅

Well my ds (autistic) cannot start his young driver sessions again because he can't wear a mask and masks are required by company.

I wouldn't dream of saying someone needs to put themselves at risk and accept him because he doesn't need these sessions.

And I'm pretty sure companies can do this or they wouldn't have said it. They've basically made a reasonable adjustment by extending his voucher a further year beyond the normal extension.

Seems fair enough to me and ds doesn't mind either.

@itsgettingwierd

Well my ds (autistic) cannot start his young driver sessions again because he can't wear a mask and masks are required by company.

I wouldn't dream of saying someone needs to put themselves at risk and accept him because he doesn't need these sessions.

And I'm pretty sure companies can do this or they wouldn't have said it. They've basically made a reasonable adjustment by extending his voucher a further year beyond the normal extension.

Seems fair enough to me and ds doesn't mind either.

Putting someone else at risk of what?

Is the test instructor over 65 years old? Does he have underlying health conditions? If so, has be been vaccinated?

The risk is so low, people need to stop this mask policing.

All else fails, he could open the window as it's very widely known that keeping places ventilated reduces the risk.

Honestly to god, it scares me to what this world is coming to.

I can't wear a mask (not for want of trying). My hairdresser is utterly fine with this - I take a lanyard in with me just to cover the hairdresser's back as we have a delightful arsehole round here whose hobby pre-the current lockdown was walking past all the local hairdressers and checking for face masks through the window to grass them up. My hairdresser tends to book me in when she knows she has other people in the salon (seeing the other hairdresser) that won't be completely freaked out by the horror of a naked human face though.

If needs be I've offered to go sit in my car to let the colour marinade on my head before - and been told to stop being so bloody silly. Now, however the professionally panicked have had a year of my life and me dodging away, being abused, staying indoors because of the no-mask hate - and I'm done. If you're scared - you need to seek help or stay indoors as the world's reopening and moving on without you.

There is a case against costco for refusing to allow exempt people on grounds of disability into their stores. Not sure when it will be heard though.
www.disabilitynewsservice.com/us-retail-giant-faces-legal-action-over-new-face-covering-rule/

How can anyone cut your hair while you are wearing a mask?

@Temp023

How can anyone cut your hair while you are wearing a mask?

From experience.. it's possible. But uncomfortable when all the little hairs inevitably get inside the mask, and it's quite easy for the mask to get knocked off accidentally. My hairdresser lets me take it off for a second so he can blow the cut hairs away with the hair dryer.

Probably slightly negates the point of them but it's mostly theatre anyway isn't it.

Had my hair cut in a mask only releasing elastic around the ear when needed.
Mask stayed in place for washing, cutting and drying until I left the premises.
My glasses were on and off as needed too. Not a problem.
I don't have to wear a mask but I always have.

the vaccines are the real game changer thats been promised arent they

Honestly to god, it scares me to what this world is coming to

It’s scares you that someone may wish to follow precautionary measures at work during a pandemic? Regardless of how you feel the worker in this situation has as much right to have their opinion respected.

Ultimately a hairdresser doesn’t have the choice to distance to offer their service so it’s up to them. If that means looking around to find a hairdresser happy to see you without you wearing a mask then that’s that really. Hairdressers aren’t obliged to put themselves at risk for others.

@Temp023

How can anyone cut your hair while you are wearing a mask?

Very easily. I've had my hair highlighted, washed, cut and dried while wearing a mask

If you you genuinely can't wear a mask, I understand you don't want to be obviously separated from community, but would you not want to feel safe or prevent spread?

Not sure if she can legally do it, but I guess she'll soon find out if it works by trade.

@starfish4

If you you genuinely can't wear a mask, I understand you don't want to be obviously separated from community, but would you not want to feel safe or prevent spread?

Not sure if she can legally do it, but I guess she'll soon find out if it works by trade.

I've contributed to reducing spread by accepting my vaccine. By shopping at quieter times in supermarkets. By avoiding indoor recreation spaces. I'm about to see family for the first time in 7+ months. Nothing else in my life/ household is of substantial risk. Cases in my area are too low to share on the government statistics. The chances of spreading Covid at a trip to the hairdressers at this point is absolutely minute. The chances that wearing what is basically an unregulated handkerchief on my face of reducing Covid transmission is negligable. The chances of sensory overwhelm and hyperventilating/ scratching my face to bleeding by attempting to wear a handkerchief or visor is very high, hence why I have stopped attempting this ridiculous piece of "safety" performance at the cost of my wellbeing. I hate being in the presence of unreadable faces, with voices I can't hear or lip read, but that's my issue to deal with and I don't take it out on other people by telling them to remove them for my comfort and piece of mind, I just have to crack on and stare at the floor and try to ignore and dodge other people or cobble together the gaps on what they mumbled. I have already made far, more than enough compromises to my life to reduce spread of a virus that I haven't been able to spead to others because I never had it, mask or not and I'm so very tired of indulging other peoples' anxieties at the cost of triggering my own.

Ultimately people are going to have to get used to coping with seeing other peoples' faces again, and the risks of generally mild illnesses just like we always did before.

The vaccine data is speaking for itself.
Mask rules have never made a substantial change to virus data, no matter how they've been implemented around the world.

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What I don't understand about this is, how do they weigh up what the greater risk is - 20 clients in for short appointments, or 10 for longer ones? Surely fewer people = less risk? Or are they just making up arbitrary guidelines for this as they've done for everything else?

Would it be okay for the hairdresser to ask the non-mask wearer to return at the end of the business day and have their hair cut in an otherwise empty salon?

I think people do t just turn up on spec anymore but book. Would it be acceptable to ask as part if the booking process (online probably) if anyone is mask exempt to declare it and say you will get back to them to arrange a suitable slot.

This seems reasonable to me. Does it to others?

@WombatChocolate I have actually done the opposite. I go to a v small 4 seater neighbourhood hairdresser where it is hard to socially distance, so have booked myself, my husband and DS in first thing Monday so the whole salon is occupied by us, all wearing masks. We will get our stuff done in half an hour and leave. I checked with my hairdresser that there will be no one else at that time.

@LucilleTheVampireBat - well of course a piece of cloth you've kept in your coat pocket is useless.

@Hellohello53452 - but wearing a mask has never protected the wearer, you wear it to protect others.

Frequentflier, that sounds a good solution. It sounds well thought through by you and considerate of others and also very practical.

I guess many mask expemptees would be attending solo though so it wouldn’t work for them.

What would mask exemption people think about being asked to attend either a separate session where it will be just them, or to attend a session which is all non-mask wearers?

@WombatChocolate

Would it be okay for the hairdresser to ask the non-mask wearer to return at the end of the business day and have their hair cut in an otherwise empty salon?

I think people do t just turn up on spec anymore but book. Would it be acceptable to ask as part if the booking process (online probably) if anyone is mask exempt to declare it and say you will get back to them to arrange a suitable slot.

This seems reasonable to me. Does it to others?

What about the hairdresser themselves? Are they not entitled to be protected to?

It seems if you offer a service, you have no right to be protected in terms of saying you don’t want to serve an unmasked person, in the same way a teacher cannot refuse to teach a child not wearing a mask or a whole room of them.

This is where it’s so challenging isn’t it. Those who are exempt have rights. Other customers have the ability to choose where they go or don’t go in public, if not whether they encounter non-mask wearers whilst out, but those working seem to have zero choice.

It is true, that the risks are increasingly small. We do have to keep a perspective on that. Other measures are in place and must be enforced too as overall all the measures reduce risk and it’s not just masks protecting people. The vaccine is providing major risk reduction and things like ventilation and distancing and hand washing play a big part too. So we shouldn’t fixate on this one element.

[quote luckylavender]@Hellohello53452 - but wearing a mask has never protected the wearer, you wear it to protect others.[/quote]
Masks because mandatory 24th July last year. Cases still continued to rise so I think it's safe to say that the majority of masks don't protect anyone unless you've got a proper medical grade N95 or similar. Most people have single layer masks that are nothing more than a token gesture to make people feel safer and offer little or no benefit.