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Is the Brazil variant more deadly to young people?

43 replies

QuietBatPeople1 · 05/04/2021 09:43

Just read a report about it affecting the age group 20-39 more than the previous variant. www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n879

That is worrying...

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Waxonwaxoff0 · 05/04/2021 12:14

@lightand

I cant get over the sheer amount of people of healthy younger age prepared to live a half life forever. I speak as someone who has had it and had long covid. Which may well have changed my perception.

Different for people over say the age of 70. Or being obese or high blood pressure or some other health issues.

If I was over 70 and healthy, I still dont think I would choose the half life option. Unless because of the law obviously.

I'm not. I'd rather take my chances with Covid. And yes I do know people who have had it, including my mum, cousin and 20% of my colleagues.

I've been following the rules to protect others but now that most of the vulnerable are vaccinated then I'm prepared to take my chances. Everyone over the age of 40 in my family has had at least one vaccine now so they are protected. I'm 30 and will get my vaccine when it's available to me but I'll happily go back to normal life without one.

jupitermars1345 · 05/04/2021 12:15

Its like the boy who cried wolf with these varinats 🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️.
People have heard it to many times and don't care anymore.
Scary Kent variant.
Scary south African variant
Now we have this one 🤷‍♀️

lightand · 05/04/2021 12:18

[quote Cornettoninja]@lightand who’s choosing to do this forever? Since when has that even been an option?

This is about dealing with the situation at hand. Are you expecting it to last forever?[/quote]
I thought it had been widely accepted, and said by Boris and the "top" scientists several times, that covid is here forever.

lightand · 05/04/2021 12:18

So yes, here forever as far as I am concerned.

gallbladderpain · 05/04/2021 12:19

@lightand

I cant get over the sheer amount of people of healthy younger age prepared to live a half life forever. I speak as someone who has had it and had long covid. Which may well have changed my perception.

Different for people over say the age of 70. Or being obese or high blood pressure or some other health issues.

If I was over 70 and healthy, I still dont think I would choose the half life option. Unless because of the law obviously.

No one is choosing this. Some people are just following the law obviously and other people are not so self absorbed that they appreciate they have to play a part in the wider picture as it stands right now.
Cornettoninja · 05/04/2021 12:21

@lightand

So yes, here forever as far as I am concerned.
And I agree but I certainly don’t agree that we will be living with this level of intervention forever; obviously that’s just not viable but we do have the opportunity to get a handle on it rather than just let it cause irreparable havoc.
RedcurrantPuff · 05/04/2021 12:28

@Selkiebride

Who knows who the the fuck cares, I volunteer to die from it. Do people really follow this bollocks anymore?
I’m not volunteering to die from it but other than that I agree

Who is swallowing any of this crap about “new variants” any more.

RedcurrantPuff · 05/04/2021 12:29

@lightand

So yes, here forever as far as I am concerned.
Covid being here forever doesn’t mean that we will be in this pandemic forever

There are plenty of illnesses out there that we vaccinate against but aren’t eradicated but that don’t cause any restrictions on our lives

RedcurrantPuff · 05/04/2021 12:30

@jupitermars1345

Its like the boy who cried wolf with these varinats 🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️. People have heard it to many times and don't care anymore. Scary Kent variant. Scary south African variant Now we have this one 🤷‍♀️
Exactly
Moondust001 · 05/04/2021 12:34

There are honestly far too many variables, including the batshit President of Brazil that someone else mentioned, to be absolutely positive about predictions. But there has been a lot of work done by epidemiologists, and the consensus is that (a) some new strains do appear to be more transmissible but that there is little evidence that they are more lethal, and (b) the vaccine strains may be slightly less effective in reducing transmission, but they are still very effective, and more effective than, say, the flu vaccine!

What many people fail to appreciate is that viruses mutate all the time. Constantly. Like all living organisms, they exist to reproduce and that is the measure of their success - survival. Contrary to how it is often portrayed, a successful virus transmits a lot and kills very little - if a virus has wiped out many people then who does it transmit to? So a cold virus is really successful (widespread, easy to catch, only the very vulnerable are at risk); and Ebola (easy to catch but deadly, so doesn't transmit as widely, and therefore easier to contain and eradicate) is actually rubbish as a virus and "unsuccessful".

Scientifically, all bets would be on reduced mortality, even without a vaccine, because a virus tends to mutate towards that easy transmission without being overly lethal - and because populations quickly start to develop and build natural defences. So whilst it is important not to underestimate this virus, there is actually not a shred of evidence that the worst case scenarios will play out. Unless, of course, you are entirely stupid and the President of Brazil.

Be respectful of any virus. But that doesn't mean living in fear. I have actually, unlike many people, seen Ebola. That is a seriously nasty virus. But, as I said, human ingenuity means that we are very capable of managing it. Some of the science that we learned dealing with that has actually contributed to vaccines we are now using for Covid. We will beat this and get past it - and in much quicker a time because of our science than we would have in days gone by.

Remember that this is, in the end, just nature. If not this, something else. Nature just "is" - it requires no grand design or plan.

RedcurrantPuff · 05/04/2021 12:37

@lightand

I cant get over the sheer amount of people of healthy younger age prepared to live a half life forever. I speak as someone who has had it and had long covid. Which may well have changed my perception.

Different for people over say the age of 70. Or being obese or high blood pressure or some other health issues.

If I was over 70 and healthy, I still dont think I would choose the half life option. Unless because of the law obviously.

I’m in my 40s but vulnerable but have no desire to keep living like this. I’d rather get it and take my chances but enjoy myself in the meantime. It’s my life and that choice should be mine, not the government’s.
Cornettoninja · 05/04/2021 12:38

Who is swallowing any of this crap about “new variants” any more

Well it’s not crap, they exist and they’re relevant if you have any interest in efficacy of our current vaccinations.

If you don’t I’m not sure why you’d even care enough to comment on them?

Cornettoninja · 05/04/2021 12:46

I’d rather get it and take my chances but enjoy myself in the meantime. It’s my life and that choice should be mine, not the government’s

Which is fair enough, but this is a contagious virus meaning your choices have consequences for other people whether that’s them getting sick themselves or using up resources. The government have only been forced to intervene (remember they didn’t want to right back at the beginning) because there isn’t the infrastructure to deal with the numbers who will need it.

If you want to share needles or shag around and risk a contagious STD your free to crack on because generally you will only affect those making similar choices leaving those who want to protect themselves able to do so. This isn’t possible in the case of a disease contagious through aerosols so you don’t get to make that decision without intervention. That’s just part of living in a society and there are plenty of examples of curbing individuals behaviour for the benefit of the others.

QuietBatPeople1 · 05/04/2021 12:56

Just to be clear- I only started this thread due to the reason coming across the BMJ post and being concerned that we are due to open up without having vaccinated the age group mentioned.

I’m not trying to scaremonger or start any arguments

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Berlinbabylon66 · 05/04/2021 13:10

I'm in my early 50s, runner, cyclist, gym goer but not excessively so.Just a decent level of fitness. Shoot me but I've got asthma and hereditary well controlled hypertension. I was getting blase by the end of the last year, those conditions are mild and looking at the stats thought I'd be alright. I caught it off dp and was floored for 6 weeks and didn't resume work for another 6 weeks. I'm off work again with a relapse.
I hate the way there's this suggestion that it's only the obese, unfit and elderly who get struck down badly and it's almost their own fault. I didn't ask for a high bp or asthma, I did things to try to maintain my health. There's so much victim blaming and I'm alright jack.

x2boys · 05/04/2021 14:40

Just because the virus is going to be here for ever doesn't mean we are going to be living with these restrictions for ever,pandemics come and go ,the virus is still around but vaccines etc will help us live a normal life ,we are doing a hell of a lot better than a lot of countries right now .

mamakoukla · 05/04/2021 15:05

For the record, with respect to the earlier reference to Canada in the Guardian article, the P1 variant is the dominant variant on the west coast ie BC. In Ontario, it’s B.1.1.7. What is being reported in the article is about ON.

Since I’m here, it’s been driving me barmy how often journalists report on how Canada has procured the highest number of vaccines per person, dreadful country for claiming the share of vaccines it is eligible for through Covax. Gah....that’s all on paper, yes, but seeing as the country has received low delivery of the vaccine doses, repeated delays in deliveries, etc, it’s only trying to obtain what is covered in agreements, the same as any other country would do and other countries are doing. Slow rollout is because it’s not being delivered. I get it, we’re all hoping to get vaccinated.... if we want to be. Sorry rant over....

fadingfast · 05/04/2021 15:13

[quote Cornettoninja]@Berlinbabylon66 don’t waste your breath. There’s plenty of information on the realities of covid out there, some people are incapable of accepting that this actually took place.

I don’t know whether it’s compassion fatigue or inability to comprehend the magnitude of what has happened but they’re completely blinkered and unable to process that the consequences of covid (dentists, education, mental health) are all part and parcel of it. They only see a reduction in their quality of life without recognising what was preserved and can be salvaged. No one has relished the reduction in their quality of life or access to infrastructure but there is a growing number of people who seem to think this has all been a personal attack on them.[/quote]
This is spot on. I think many people continue to be in denial about the magnitude of what has happened and can only rationalise it as some sort of conspiracy.

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