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coogee · 30/03/2021 08:08

The real game changer was the complete shift in focus - the medics started reaching out to prostitutes and educating them on safe sex. It was not a popular move but it yielded much better results than more "ethical" but ineffective measures

So, who are the coronavirus prostitutes? People who couldn't care less about others?

diwrnachoflleyn · 30/03/2021 08:25

@coogee

The real game changer was the complete shift in focus - the medics started reaching out to prostitutes and educating them on safe sex. It was not a popular move but it yielded much better results than more "ethical" but ineffective measures

So, who are the coronavirus prostitutes? People who couldn't care less about others?

Oh, yes, the old 'selfish' chestnut. Likening people who are done with this ridiculousness to prostitutes . . . hell of a leap there. 😂😂😂

Adults, choosing to engage in human contact, imagine that!

RedcurrantPuff · 30/03/2021 08:25

It an absolute outrage that the government or their advisers think they can tell private citizens in private dwellings who they can hug. Just who do they think they are?

diwrnachoflleyn · 30/03/2021 08:27

@RedcurrantPuff

It an absolute outrage that the government or their advisers think they can tell private citizens in private dwellings who they can hug. Just who do they think they are?

Quite! Again, they also tried to make sex between consenting adults who didn't live together illegal in the first lockdown. Cuz that really works. 😂😂😂

AnotherEmma · 30/03/2021 08:31

I hugged my grandma yesterday
First time I'd seen her since July (and in July we didn't hug), first time she'd met my baby DD, her great-granddaughter, who is now 6 months old.
My grandma's had two doses of the vaccine, I took a test which was negative.
Our decision.

OverTheRubicon · 30/03/2021 08:35

@HolmeH

Is CW & the govmt deluded? Grandparents have been allowed to do childcare since November. Pretty much every friend I have used their parents over lockdown at some point, if not several days every week to be able to work. Admittedly my social circle has predominantly under 6’s. Do they really think young grandchildren & grandparents are keeping their distance during the childcare bubbles?

My local infant school playground that my house overlooks is filled with grandparents picking up their grandkids since they went back. Hate to break it to them but every single one is hugging them & holding their hand ..

Sometimes I wonder what they actually think the real world is like for working parents, particularly with younger children 🙈

But that was allowed anyway, if grandparents are part of a childcare bubble caring for children. Young children like the ones you mention are relatively rare patient zeros in a household anyway, parents are more likely to both have covid and spread it, so should be more careful with hugs.

Sometimes I wonder whether people are aware of the real world in which a very significant number of older people have been killed by well-meaning family gatherings. Yes, if your children's grandma is 44 and looks after them every week and is also your support bubble, then hug away. But for the majority of the population, grandparents are older, quite often elderly, and often frail, and most won't have had two doses of a vaccine. In that situation, it makes sense to be careful.

Why so many posts shouting about why they're breaking every rule? If you do it, it's your call, but the more people make a fuss about it, the more other people, who DO have the option to avoid closer contact and who have family members at higher risk, will feel left out and do it too.

MaxRiemelt · 30/03/2021 08:37

Well why not hug your granny. Granny is protected. She may not have much time left due to heart, liver, kidney, stroke, cancer, dementia.....the list is endless. Fuck it. Hug you're granny. Enough now...

EdithWeston · 30/03/2021 08:43

The government isn't deluded

They expect people to be able to see the distinction between a grandparent who is in a household bubble, or grandparents who provide childcare (and so bubble with just the DC, but have some admin contact with the parents).
And grandparents who are not in either type of bubble

How close you can get to people in your bubble is utterly unrelated to how you interact with other households in your extended family.

They're pitching the message to the majority (not everyone has DC who need childcare, uses GPs for that, or makes their household bubble with a GP - indeed you can't have both sets)

MaxRiemelt · 30/03/2021 08:45

From BBC today, "A growing body of real-world evidence suggests it (vaccine) stops a big chunk of people catching the virus at all - if you don't get infected in the first place, you cannot infect other people.

In clinical trials, one shot stopped pretty much all deaths and hospitalizations..

wintertravel1980 · 30/03/2021 08:46

So, who are the coronavirus prostitutes? People who couldn't care less about others?

Yes. Socially active rule breakers who make ideal superspreaders.

www.wired.com/story/covid-19-vaccine-super-spreaders/

Let's say you've got one course of the vaccine and two people to choose between: Candidate 1 is a college student who doesn't social distance, wears his mask slung beneath his chin, and plays beer pong all weekend at underground frat parties. Candidate 2 is his 87-year-old widowed grandmother, who lives on her own and has barely been out of the house since March. If your goal is to protect the more vulnerable person, you should vaccinate grandma. If your goal is to reduce transmission, you should vaccinate the frat bro. From society's perspective, he's a jerk; from the network's, he's a hub.

ineedaholidaynow · 30/03/2021 08:47

My teenage DS has not hugged his granny yet, although is at that awkward age so probably wouldn’t even if COVID wasn’t around.

But DM is in her 80s and DS is at school, so throughout this pandemic probably one of the riskiest combinations (apart from healthcare settings), until the vaccine was introduced.

Suzi888 · 30/03/2021 09:03

I’ll also add that all the elderly folkI know and know of are taking absolutely no notice of the advice to shield and isolate. I was told by one that they’ve “lived through and fought in wars so their freedom wasn’t taken, they aren’t about to stay in now when they might not have long left anyway!”

99victoria · 30/03/2021 09:29

This childcare bubble thing has never made sense to me. I look after my 2 grandchildren once a week - aged 5 and 3. I behave as I always have with them - I hug them and cuddle them and kiss them better if they hurt themselves. But I'm not supposed to have contact with my daughter who has hugged and kissed them before leaving work that morning and will do so again when she comes in from work. What's the difference between that and me hugging my daughter? (Which I have continued to do throughout by the way)

Donatella · 30/03/2021 09:33

@99victoria

This childcare bubble thing has never made sense to me. I look after my 2 grandchildren once a week - aged 5 and 3. I behave as I always have with them - I hug them and cuddle them and kiss them better if they hurt themselves. But I'm not supposed to have contact with my daughter who has hugged and kissed them before leaving work that morning and will do so again when she comes in from work. What's the difference between that and me hugging my daughter? (Which I have continued to do throughout by the way)

Because if your daughter contracted Covid her children may or may not also get it, it is far from 100% transmissible. So if you only hug the children, you are only exposed IF they have caught it from her. If you hug your daughter as well you are doubly exposed.

Exhausteddog · 30/03/2021 09:36

MIL has ignored the no hugging rule from the start, although we wanted to be cautious around them (although we only saw them maybe 3 times during the summer last year)
She had a terminal diagnosis in January and we broke lockdown to visit. She hugged all of us. That was my DC last hug with their granny as she died several weeks later... so in a way I'm glad she ignored the guidance.

Dowser · 30/03/2021 11:47

@ILookAtTheFloor

I heard this question put to the scientists yesterday at the briefing and they completely dodged it.

My nan has had both jabs bloody weeks ago (she's 94 and had it after 3 weeks as was one of the first to be done before the 12 week gap came in) and my second jab is in 2.5 weeks, surely a little after that time it's as safe as it's ever going to be to hug her? If not then, when?!

They’re obviously hugging then or certainly don’t agree with it 😂

Remember all those Romanian babies during ceascescu’s reign, sat in their cots, poor things just waiting to be picked up and cuddled.
Was heartbreaking.
Humans need to be touched.

Dowser · 30/03/2021 11:49

@ineedaholidaynow

My teenage DS has not hugged his granny yet, although is at that awkward age so probably wouldn’t even if COVID wasn’t around.

But DM is in her 80s and DS is at school, so throughout this pandemic probably one of the riskiest combinations (apart from healthcare settings), until the vaccine was introduced.

Yes teen age grandkids aren’t so huggable now, but my 11 year old granddaughter is a natural hugger, thank goodness

kittensarecute · 30/03/2021 12:23

We need to touch and be touched.

The no hugging rule is draconian and cruel.

Thewhiskeronadog · 30/03/2021 12:38

I hugged my mum (family nan) yesterday. First time in a year. Made her cry from happiness. I hope I haven't given her anything but we've both been vaccinated and the urge to hug her came out of nowhere. Didn't stop to think It's so unnatural living like this.
I won't do it again for a while though.

LucilleTheVampireBat · 30/03/2021 12:49

@Thewhiskeronadog

I hugged my mum (family nan) yesterday. First time in a year. Made her cry from happiness. I hope I haven't given her anything but we've both been vaccinated and the urge to hug her came out of nowhere. Didn't stop to think

It's so unnatural living like this. I won't do it again for a while though.

Why won't you do it again?

12 months ago would it even have crossed your mind? You could have had any illness or disease at any point during any hug you have ever given or received in your whole life. What if you spent a year not seeing or touching a loved one and then they died of something that isn't covid. Will not giving them this particular infectious disease have been worth them spending the last year of their life lonely?

Bear2014 · 30/03/2021 12:57

My 98 year old Grandad who I haven't hugged for 14 months has had both jabs since January and we will be testing on the day when we see him in a couple of weeks. Damn right we are hugging him.

AlexaShutUp · 30/03/2021 13:04

Obviously, there are people who have bubbled with their parents for childcare purposes, and young children aren't able to maintain social distancing in that situation.

Others have just ignored the rules and carried on as usual. I presume that they have been hugging whoever they like.

However, there are large swathes of the population who don't use grandparents for childcare - because of circumstances, personal preference and/or a desire not to put their parents at risk - and in my experience, the majority of those are continuing to social distance. I am genuinely surprised that you think this isn't happening.

diwrnachoflleyn · 30/03/2021 13:06

@kittensarecute

We need to touch and be touched.

The no hugging rule is draconian and cruel.

Unrealistic and ridiculous.

sherrystrull · 30/03/2021 15:25

My parents provide childcare for us and hug the children. We don't hug them though as we are trying to keep as apart as possible and reduce cross contamination risk. When they've had both vaccinations I absolutely will. I'm grateful every day that they are cuddling their grandchildren.

pommedeterre · 30/03/2021 15:34

IT IS UP TO GRANDMA TO DECIDE.