Pfizer second doses blocked?

[teenagemisery]

Are there any studies about what happens to antibody levels if the second dose of the Pfizer dose is not given within 12 weeks?

Will the antibody levels drop to levels that mean that the millions of people in the UK who have received one dose of Pfizer no longer have effective immunity, or do antibodies continue at the same level and just don't get boosted with the second dose?

www.theguardian.com/society/2021/mar/26/france-uk-struggle-source-second-covid-jabs-eu-blackmail

This article indicates the AZ vaccine.

As with much bluster about vaccines and the EU what is applicable one day id irrelevant the next.

I don’t think that will be such an issue here. IIRC a lot of the vaccines have been ‘set aside’ for second dose and can’t be used for first doses. So the roll out might slow down, but you shouldn’t be left with people who only have 1 vaccination.

This article indicates the AZ vaccine
I see what you mean.
But I used that link because the other link was the Dmail and I posted that then I would get 20 replies about how the story was made up.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9405629/Macron-leads-EU-hardliners-pushing-vaccine-export-ban.html

"The bad news is that around 11million people have already had at least one dose of the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine, and the majority of them are still waiting for a second jab, which are likely only to come from within the EU."
"Pfizer declined to comment on its supply chain but said: 'In the UK, we are continuing to liaise closely with the Government to deliver the 40million doses of the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine that we have committed to supply before the end of the year"

And then another article:
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9404901/Now-India-bans-AstraZeneca-exports-fresh-blow-Britains-supply-chain-woes.html

All Pfizer comes to the UK from Belgium.

Seems very bad to give a first dose then stop supplies so a second cannot be given. Unfortunately, it will be blamed on the UK for not giving the second dose within 3 weeks as instructed and as stated in the product licence. So the UK won't have much come-back in medical and ethical terms, just in terms of the actual business contracts.

10m extra Pfizer were already delivered, unclear when but it seems the number exported to the UK jumped to 21m from 11m in the last day or two of EC discussion. So the second doses are here and will be used.

OK, fingers crossed!
Otherwise, presumably any of those 11m not getting their second dose in time will have to be regarded as unvaccinated and go back on the waiting list (presumably to the top, as they were nearly all elderly or CV/CEV).

It was already announced at a briefing that they have enough doses of Pfizer for everyone who had a 1st dose to have their 2nd dose. No issue

@Iremembertheelderlykoreanlady

It was already announced at a briefing that they have enough doses of Pfizer for everyone who had a 1st dose to have their 2nd dose. No issue

OK, that's good. Hopefully those doses are already in the country. I don't know who to believe any more. The EU say we don't have those second doses in the country and are using that as a bargaining tool for getting more AZ.

The EU say we don't have those second doses in the country

FFS No they don't.

A FRENCH politician said that.

It's like saying "The UK thinks X", based on an interview with Arlene Foster.

This thread is really misleading, we've got our second doses of Pfizer. Everyone who had a first dose has their second dose allocated to them. You're just going to panic people for no reason.

Scaremongering. Please stop.

@notrub

The EU say we don't have those second doses in the country

FFS No they don't.

A FRENCH politician said that.

It's like saying "The UK thinks X", based on an interview with Arlene Foster.

This.

I doubt any French politician knows any more about how we are running our vaccine roll out than Boris knows about the organisation of the French vaccine roll out.

@notrub

The EU say we don't have those second doses in the country

FFS No they don't.

A FRENCH politician said that.

It's like saying "The UK thinks X", based on an interview with Arlene Foster.

So on point. The scaremongering is so annoying.

@teenagemisery

OK, fingers crossed! Otherwise, presumably any of those 11m not getting their second dose in time will have to be regarded as unvaccinated and go back on the waiting list (presumably to the top, as they were nearly all elderly or CV/CEV).

Nothing to indicate as yet that immunity falls off a cliff on any specified date. They can catch up their dose later (40m ordered in total not 20m), or they can get a second jab from a different supplier when that's authorised following the trial that is apparently going well. No drama needed.

I wonder at the purpose of these OPs and their calculated, disingenuous parroting of unreliable, improperly attributed quotations.

The EU can't block export of Pfizer to the UK because, as Pfizer pointed out themselves, the UK would just block the export of essential ingredients for it and then nobody would have any.

This was an unsubstantiated and deliberately inflammatory statement made for a domestic audience. Take no notice, he's not qualified to opine on the subject.

@QueenStromba

The EU can't block export of Pfizer to the UK because, as Pfizer pointed out themselves, the UK would just block the export of essential ingredients for it and then nobody would have any.

I hope the UK would not do that, but would remain calm regardless of provocation. That would do better at showing pharmaceutical companies why they would always be better having a UK base. When the UK mRNA facility launches later this year, that opens up options too.

It’s fine to ask

Some have been making statements on this which have made the press

But thankfully they appear not to know figures for doses and we do have second Pfizer

MRex - I doubt Pfizer would mind since they pointed it out themselves as the next logical step. Besides, I don't think even the EU are stupid enough to try it.