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Would you vaccinate your children?

359 replies

mrsnw · 24/03/2021 06:35

So children could possibly be vaccinated by the autumn term. I've had the vaccine and my children have had all the other available jabs including flu. I'm not sure where I stand with this one and I don't know why!

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PermanentlyDizzy · 24/03/2021 12:26

@myrtleWilson So glad your dd’s GP was sensible.

The guidance actually states that the list of conditions is not definitive and individual situations should be carefully considered, even Matt Hancock has stated that:

“... the JCVI has recently clarified that the examples of clinical risk groups listed in the “Green Book: Immunisations against infectious disease” are not exhaustive.

“Their advice states that within these Groups, clinical judgment should be applied to take into account the risk of COVID-19 exacerbating any underlying disease that a patient may have, as well as the risk of serious illness from COVID-19 itself” (MH)

The Green Book also states:

” The examples above are not exhaustive, and, within these groups, the prescriber should apply clinical judgment to take into account the risk of COVID-19 exacerbating any underlying disease that a patient may have, as well as the risk of serious illness from COVID-19 itself.”

Some doctors are taking this to mean they can use clinical judgement for at risk cases that don’t fit the criteria, others that they can only do so within the categories listed in table 3. A lot of adults with my son’s conditions have been vaccinated, so I think if he was over 18 he’d stand a better chance.

He’s only had one appointment with adult services, but has his second next week. I’m hoping they will help if we raise it with them then.

The irony is that one of his conditions is one that is causing massive concerns, as it it being triggered by Covid. The underlying mechanism for it is still being researched, hence it not fitting neatly into any of the categories for the CV groups.

bumbleymummy · 24/03/2021 12:27

@babbaloushka studies have shown that it lasts 6-8+ months and is expected to last longer. We know more about immunity after infection than after vaccination atm. Reinfection rates are very low, even over a year later.

actiongirl1978 · 24/03/2021 12:31

Yes but DH will say no I think. As long as its an injection.

DD Didn't have flu shot as he can't cope with smells and textures and the one time he did have the flu shot he puked everywhere. I wouldn't be able to get him in the car to school if he thought I'd given consent for it the following years.

babbaloushka · 24/03/2021 12:33

fluffyegg why would you not want to protect your children from the risk? Many children are poorly from long covid and may have to live with that for the rest of their lives. Why wouldn't you want to take a chance to prevent that?

babbaloushka · 24/03/2021 12:36

[quote bumbleymummy]@babbaloushka studies have shown that it lasts 6-8+ months and is expected to last longer. We know more about immunity after infection than after vaccination atm. Reinfection rates are very low, even over a year later.[/quote]
Not true, people have been re-infected sooner than 6 months. I've engaged with you before and have learnt you are anti-vax and not even remotely qualified, so please refrain from commenting as though you are.

minniemoocher · 24/03/2021 12:38

Over 16's can be added to the adult roll out already, there were cv 16's & 17's at the learning disabilities vaccine clinic I went to with dd. The draft proposal is to then offer it to 12-15 year olds who in most medical treatments come under adult dosage anyway. All of our dc are over 16 and 3 due to being cv have been vaccinated already, they didn't even question not having it,

ILookAtTheFloor · 24/03/2021 12:55

I'm very pro vaccine but I'm in 2 minds about this due to the following:

It would not be for their benefit, rather it's for wider society.

My children wouldn't actively consent to the needle.

I'd be disregarding their bodily autonomy for something that doesn't actively benefit them, but for others.

My children are 5 and 10 so very young to be able to make an informed decision.

frogswimming · 24/03/2021 13:05

Yes definitely. Even for kids COVID itself is probably worse than vaccine side effects. Also, we haven't seen our family for a year so we really need to travel abroad ASAP.

Sirzy · 24/03/2021 13:14

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/society/2021/mar/02/long-covid-uk-children-date-cause-concern-scientists-say

For those saying children aren’t impacted there is a lot pointing to long covid being an issue for children.

bumbleymummy · 24/03/2021 13:24

@babbaloushka. I’m not anti-vaxx at all. I just disagree with mandatory/coerced vaccination.

Everything I’ve said said is based on studies and I’ve linked to various ones on different threads.

Re. immunity lasting 6-8+ months, here you go:

www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/12/two-studies-find-covid-19-antibodies-last-8-months

science.sciencemag.org/content/371/6529/eabf4063

www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/lasting-immunity-found-after-recovery-covid-19

I’m also very qualified 😊

bumbleymummy · 24/03/2021 15:28

Just to add, I’m not saying that immunity after infection doesn’t wane at all. A recent study from Denmark showed that immunity lasted in around 79% of people >=7 months but in over 65s in only around 47% of people. This means that the older/more vulnerable groups should probably still be vaccinated after infection and may require more regular boosters. It’s further evidence that immunity persists for the majority in the younger/healthier population for 7+ months though.

l2b2 · 24/03/2021 15:31

Of course, yes.
2 reasons: to prevent long Covid and to prevent asymptomatic spread to adults in the household.

middleager · 24/03/2021 16:03

Yes. Mine are nearly 15 and able to make their own minds up though.

One has asthma and already has the annual flu nasal spray.
The other had Covid and it wasn't a breeze.

littlebillie · 24/03/2021 17:36

Absolutely yes, I think like the smallpox vaccine in 1853 we are heading to compulsory vaccination in most developed countries.

Most vaccines take years to come come through development due to intermittent funding. This has had studies and money thrown at it.

We need to continue with this here and across the world to ensure life can begin again.

JoRoMo · 24/03/2021 17:52

I won't be vaccinating my children. There's no long term safety data and these Covid vaccines are not comparable with the usual childhood vaccines; they work quite differently.

The risk/benefit justification just doesn't work for children.

frozendaisy · 24/03/2021 17:55

Yes I would vaccinate.

beachlife9 · 24/03/2021 18:13

No chance

anyoldtime · 24/03/2021 18:19

No not at the present time. I’m actually quite concerned about the effect the vaccine has on hormones/reproduction. There is another thread on MN where many posters have had changes in their periods.

JaceLancs · 24/03/2021 18:23

My DC are adult and old enough to make own decision
If they weren’t I would not vaccinate them as I’m also concerned about the future fertility

BogRollBOGOF · 24/03/2021 19:17

I'm in no rush.
From what I understand from the winter, is that the closer to adulthood, the more closely transmission ressembles the patterns seen in adulthood.
I see more benefit for secondary age, particularly the older range. So basically the older the child, the more favourable the risk-benefit. It will be interesting to see the effects as the current progamme moves through younger adults.

Mine are both juniors age and so far only missed scholol because of lockdown

Depending on the timescale of approval, I could be more willing for DS1 to be vaccinated than DS2. I understand current trials to be 12+, if so mine may still be under that threshold for a while.

I hope that we will not be bullied into it in order to maintain our rights to a family life as we are already approaching 18m without seeing their paternal family. Informed consent and bodily autonomy are important

SoundOfFalsetto · 24/03/2021 19:40

They need to test and test and test it and then and only then give it to our DC. If I am satisfied with this, yes I will have them vaccinated. DC are both teens so they will get a say in it TBH.

katkit · 24/03/2021 19:40

I’m not sure, having been wiped out by the AZ vaccine for a few days... I wonder if children would feel equAlly as bad, and also how I could get my DD to have it after seeing my laid out on the sofa all weekend feeling rough.

byvirtue · 24/03/2021 20:20

Nope I have zero concerns about covid or the flu impacting my pre-schooler. Chicken pox, however, yes I had my concerns and paid for the vaccine privately.

If she was a teenager I would be more concerned and would consider it if she consented.

It all comes down to age and risk profile, like covid in general.

Defmy · 24/03/2021 20:27

Yes. Long Covid is affecting children. It's not a joke.

FluWorldOrder · 24/03/2021 20:32

@Ephe17

Inject my baby with an experimental therapy? Not a fucking chance.
Exactly!
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