Would you vaccinate your children?

[mrsnw]

So children could possibly be vaccinated by the autumn term. I've had the vaccine and my children have had all the other available jabs including flu. I'm not sure where I stand with this one and I don't know why!

But the rubella which gets given to the 12yo girl protects that girl when she’s an adult and pregnant. You can’t have the mmr when you’re pregnant. Yes, it could be given to every female when they’re 18yo but uptake would be anywhere near as good as doing it en masse in school.

The children’s vaccine trial definitely exists. Wouldn’t joke about something so easy to Google. www.nihr.ac.uk/news/first-childrens-covid-19-vaccine-trial-open/26870

Yes. It will have been rigorously tested and trialled by the time its rolled out.

No. All other jabs done and up to date but Covid risk is vanishingly small to DC so no benefit at all in taking an - albeit also small - risk with a vaccine. As to the argument that it would be to protect others, no, others can have vaccines to protect themselves. That is not DC's responsibility.

@CovidCorvid

But the rubella which gets given to the 12yo girl protects that girl when she’s an adult and pregnant. You can’t have the mmr when you’re pregnant. Yes, it could be given to every female when they’re 18yo but uptake would be anywhere near as good as doing it en masse in school.

Or alternatively, give it to teenage girls who haven’t already got immunity.

More sensible than vaccinating babies to protect adults.

And that’s not an anti vax point of view either. But it does show vaccinations are given for the ‘greater good’ and not because of any personal benefit to the individual.

Sorry, I forgot mmr was given to babies now! 😂. I’m old enough to remember getting it as a separate jab at 12yo at school.

Guess the issue is if it’s nkw mixed with the measles and mumps vaccine then it needs giving to babies as measles especially can be serious. The alternative is to go back to separate vaccines but I suspect that’s not cost effective and seeing as mmr isn’t harmful for babies and is beneficial long term for the one vaccinated they won’t do that.

It was quite harmful to campaigner from Warrington wins £90,000 payout [[http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-11125343 this]] baby though.

Still very nervous about having to make that decision for DC.

Yes of course I would, and will, vaccinate my kids. I already do for other dangerous or notifiable diseases so why on earth not this??

All you no-vaxers, do please piss off to an isolated island somewhere, where you can experiment with your 'natural' herd immunity, herbal remedies and chanting. I'll take modern medicine, ta.

Oh, I vaccinate my children against dangerous diseases too. I don’t see why anybody would have an issue with that.

@GlomOfNit

Yes of course I would, and will, vaccinate my kids. I already do for other dangerous or notifiable diseases so why on earth not this??

All you no-vaxers, do please piss off to an isolated island somewhere, where you can experiment with your 'natural' herd immunity, herbal remedies and chanting. I'll take modern medicine, ta.

See, this just makes you look like an ass. This isn't about 'herbal remedies and chanting' at all. You know that coronavirus is mild/asymptomatic in around 80% of cases, right? You realise that anyone who has had coronavirus and recovered is contributing to herd immunity, right? It doesn't have to be a vaccine vs natural immunity argument - immunity is immunity and, whatever way it is acquired, it's reducing spread in the community.

Yes I would.

The Covid vaccines don’t work in the same way as traditional vaccines. In particular, the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine is the first commercial production of an mRNA vaccine – a completely new type of biotechnology.

The Covid vaccines have not been proven to prevent infection or transmission. Trials were not designed to show this. It is unknown how long protection will last.

Of course, all medical interventions carry risks, but vaccines are unusual in that you’re administering a medical treatment to a healthy person. They need to be held to an even higher standard in order to be justified.

Take a look at the UK Yellow Card and US VAERS systems for reporting adverse effects of vaccines. And bear in mind that these are imperfect systems - reporting is voluntary and the systems are not particularly easy to use. A lot of adverse effects will go unreported.

Pharmaceutical companies are exempt from liability, which raises concerns - in what other sector would we expect a manufacturer to be exempt from liability if something goes wrong with their product?

Vaccine Damage Payments are a real thing. The government has paid out for vaccine injury in the past - for well established vaccines. www.gov.uk/vaccine-damage-payment

The risk-benefit argument for Covid vaccines that may work for old people doesn’t work as well for younger people, especially children.

Credible doctors and scientists have raised concerns about the Covid vaccines, especially a condition called Antibody Dependent Enhanced Immunity (ADEI), which causes more severe illness and even death in the vaccinated when they are subsequently exposed to the wild virus.

Trials don’t end until 2023. Everyone currently taking the vaccine is part of a clinical trial. There is no long-term safety data. Strictly speaking there should be a control group who don’t get the vaccine, so that future health outcomes can be compared. The immune system is complex and not well understood - look how few effective treatments there are for autoimmune conditions.

There is no data to date on potential interaction of COVID-19 vaccines with other vaccines.

The vaccine rollout is not being thoroughly monitored. Note the discrepancy between how deaths ‘with Covid’ are reported (any death within 28 days of a positive test), and how any death shortly after a vaccine is more likely to be labelled a ‘coincidence’.

Please read the information on the UK Medical Freedom Alliance website and talk through their consent form with your doctor before going ahead. www.ukmedfreedom.org/

To me it feels quite reckless to roll out a novel treatment to the entire population - what if there is a problem further down the line?

Yes I would but they are 14&17 so more than able to make their own decission. Which is to have the vaccine. Why wouldn't they ?

@JoRoMo

The Covid vaccines don’t work in the same way as traditional vaccines. In particular, the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine is the first commercial production of an mRNA vaccine – a completely new type of biotechnology.

The Covid vaccines have not been proven to prevent infection or transmission. Trials were not designed to show this. It is unknown how long protection will last.

Of course, all medical interventions carry risks, but vaccines are unusual in that you’re administering a medical treatment to a healthy person. They need to be held to an even higher standard in order to be justified.

Take a look at the UK Yellow Card and US VAERS systems for reporting adverse effects of vaccines. And bear in mind that these are imperfect systems - reporting is voluntary and the systems are not particularly easy to use. A lot of adverse effects will go unreported.

Pharmaceutical companies are exempt from liability, which raises concerns - in what other sector would we expect a manufacturer to be exempt from liability if something goes wrong with their product?

Vaccine Damage Payments are a real thing. The government has paid out for vaccine injury in the past - for well established vaccines. www.gov.uk/vaccine-damage-payment

The risk-benefit argument for Covid vaccines that may work for old people doesn’t work as well for younger people, especially children.

Credible doctors and scientists have raised concerns about the Covid vaccines, especially a condition called Antibody Dependent Enhanced Immunity (ADEI), which causes more severe illness and even death in the vaccinated when they are subsequently exposed to the wild virus.

Trials don’t end until 2023. Everyone currently taking the vaccine is part of a clinical trial. There is no long-term safety data. Strictly speaking there should be a control group who don’t get the vaccine, so that future health outcomes can be compared. The immune system is complex and not well understood - look how few effective treatments there are for autoimmune conditions.

There is no data to date on potential interaction of COVID-19 vaccines with other vaccines.

The vaccine rollout is not being thoroughly monitored. Note the discrepancy between how deaths ‘with Covid’ are reported (any death within 28 days of a positive test), and how any death shortly after a vaccine is more likely to be labelled a ‘coincidence’.

Please read the information on the UK Medical Freedom Alliance website and talk through their consent form with your doctor before going ahead. www.ukmedfreedom.org/

To me it feels quite reckless to roll out a novel treatment to the entire population - what if there is a problem further down the line?

People are so frightened that they are blind to reason. Stats and facts do not matter anymore, we all must vaccinate no matter what!

I'm undecided about this, I have my vaccine BTW not anti vax in any way shape or form, I had the vaccine because there's a very slight chance covid could be bad for me (overweight , athsma, high BP) however the chances of my dc being badly affected by covid are slim to none. All we have been told for certain is that the vaccine had a 100% success rate of preventing hospitalisation, the result regarding transmission are still it should or might nothing definite. Does a Child need a vaccine to protect them against a virus that most of the time they don't even know they have its that mild for them?
I'm definitely on the fence with this one , thankfully it's not a decision that needs to be made any time soon

The covid trials have not been proven to prevent infection or transmission

Exactly this! If trials do prove this then of course I'll consider it but if they don't I fail to see a reason why they need it

Right now if they’d let me! Especially the 12 yo.

They might need a day or so off with side effects but much better than COVID and the chance of long COVID.

Maybe start with the teen girls as they add closer to their physical maturity than the boys are?

@Wellbythebloodyhell

The covid trials have not been proven to prevent infection or transmission

Exactly this! If trials do prove this then of course I'll consider it but if they don't I fail to see a reason why they need it

But being sensible... if the vaccine is stopping people from getting such severe symptoms when infected the virus is much less likely to be passed on.

I don't understand why people are so resistant. It's no different to going through any other childhood vax. And it's all happening to stop this pandemic. If you want it to end you need to be a part of the vaccination programme.

if the vaccine was stopping people from such severe symptoms when infected the virus is much less likely to be passed on

I wasn't aware that more severe the symptoms are the more transmissible the virus is

Apparently trials are starting on an AstraZeneca nasal spray,

www.ft.com/content/48fe2e97-f9e5-4291-b965-0728bfc42213

I don't understand why people are so resistant. It's no different to going through any other childhood vax.

Of course it is. The other vacs are in place to protect the child from a disease that's often very harmful/fatal. This one would be in place to protect everyone else.

@Wellbythebloodyhell

if the vaccine was stopping people from such severe symptoms when infected the virus is much less likely to be passed on

I wasn't aware that more severe the symptoms are the more transmissible the virus is

Yes viral load is something that makes a difference. And if you're coughing your actively spreading far more droplets around.

@HamFisted

I don't understand why people are so resistant. It's no different to going through any other childhood vax.

Of course it is. The other vacs are in place to protect the child from a disease that's often very harmful/fatal. This one would be in place to protect everyone else.

But for the child themselves it's no different. It's still a regulated vaccine which has gone through trials.

The rubella vaccination is precisely to protect others. Children rarely get ill with rubella but if they transmit it to a pregnant woman there can be serious consequences for the woman and the unborn child.