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Pregnancy & Vaccine Passports

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covidpreggers · 17/03/2021 08:46

Off the back of the P&O cruises thread where a surprising about of people seem to be for vaccine passports for indoor activities in the U.K.

Where does/should that leave pregnant women who are unable to have the vaccine? Should they be exempt? Given the option of a negative 'quick' test instead? Or just be banned from these places all together?

Do you think there should be a different approach for people who can't have the vaccine, opposed to those who are refusing it?

I'm thinking of places where social distancing isn't easy. So things like; cinema, theatre, spas, soft play, festivals, flights, theme parks, etc.

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covidpreggers · 17/03/2021 09:30

@minchinfin

But surely your informed choice is not to smoke or drink (much)? Why are you doing that if not "for the good of the baby"?

If I was pregnant now I wouldn't step foot in a crowded indoor place with lots of other unvaccinated people if I hadn't been vaccinated, I have to say.

I don't drink or smoke even when not pregnant.

Just believe that if it's for 'the good of the baby' then women should be able to make their own assessment. Just like shielding was not compulsory and guidance.

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covidpreggers · 17/03/2021 09:33

@110APiccadilly

Lovely to see so many posters in favour of (illegal) indirect discrimination against pregnant women.
I know!

I honestly thought people would be all for the alternative of pregnant women being offered the opportunity to do a test to permit entry instead. Which would be a bit of a PITA but something I'd be happy to do.

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covidpreggers · 17/03/2021 09:36

@dementedpixie

I think it will not be long until the vaccine is advised in pregnancy as more pregnant women get it and there is more evidence of whether it affects them or the baby. The issue is lack of data not that it is actually dangerous
Apparently they can't get sufficient data until the children of the vaccinated mothers are 2 years old. As they look at the impact on development.

Suppose they may push this through quicker somehow. But I'm not sure how I'd feel about having the vaccine before any babies are born from vaccinated mothers.

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dementedpixie · 17/03/2021 09:37

I think quite a few pregnant women in the US are getting it. Maybe we will piggy back on their data

DenisetheMenace · 17/03/2021 09:40

covidpreggers

110APiccadilly
Lovely to see so many posters in favour of (illegal) indirect discrimination against pregnant women.

I know!

I honestly thought people would be all for the alternative of pregnant women being offered the opportunity to do a test to permit entry instead. Which would be a bit of a PITA but something I'd be happy to do.“

LF tests are too unreliable. Everyone who knows about them has said they should not be seen as a green light to go ahead and do what you want.

minchinfin · 17/03/2021 09:42

I'm not in favour or against soft plays requiring a vaccine to enter either way, I literally could not care as I would rather eat my own liver than go to one nowadays, I'm just saying it's no great loss if it goes that way, whcih I haven't seen any evidence that it will. Maybe they will let pregnant women do a lateral flow test? Maybe they just won't open at all? There are lots of things pregnant women already can't do legally, like fly after a certain number of weeks and unofficialy, like openly drink in pubs.

If I was pregnant I wouldn't want to go to certain higher risk places either but can understand that other people do. Different attitude to risk I guess. It's hardly an infringement of civil liberties though to not be able to go to a few indoor soft play centers for a few months - people go to them until the kids are about 5 or 6 so plenty of time to experience the joys.

uytp · 17/03/2021 09:47

@ILookAtTheFloor

My prediction is that they'll change the advice soon. Don't be surprised if the regulators say the vaccine is safe in pregnancy.

I doubt the advice will be changed until there is evidence from actual randomised clinical trials. The first of these have started but are not reporting until 2023.

dementedpixie · 17/03/2021 09:49

Why does 2023 keep coming up in these threads?

dementedpixie · 17/03/2021 09:50

There's apparently been a baby born that has been shown to have antibodies after the mother was given the vaccine in pregnancy

JeanClaudeVanDammit · 17/03/2021 09:50

Incidentally this is kind of off topic but people get really snobby about soft play. When it’s tanking it down outside and you have a 3 year old with an infinite amount of energy to burn off bouncing around your house it can be a godsend. Apparently they’re hot beds of germs but can’t say any of us have ever caught anything from our local ones and we were frequent visitors before lockdown. There have been days this lockdown that I’d have paid hundreds to have been able to go to soft play Blush.

ZoBo123 · 17/03/2021 09:58

There is absolutely no way that we will need to provide proof of vaccination to go to many day to day activities in the UK. Can you imagine the queues of people outside places while one person checks their card. A card that can easily be faked. Or an app. Well what if you don't have the app or a phone even. Are they going to be denied access to the pub, cafe or soft play? These businesses want to be open and to serve customers, they do not want the extra level of abuse that customers will give them, the extra staffing costs to take time to check, and the potential that a lot of their staff won't have been vaccinated by the time they do open up as they are too young. It will not work so don't worry about not getting into the soft play. Also disagree with the posters who have an issue with soft play. They are obviously blessed with children that do not have endless energy that they need to burn off

uytp · 17/03/2021 11:19

@dementedpixie

Why does 2023 keep coming up in these threads?

Is this question to me? The first two clinical trials of Covid vaccine in pregnant women are going to report in 2023 - as in that's what they've said they will do (clinical trials have to report such things as location, sample size and timelines before they start). I might have misremembered though so it might be 2022, but I think the plan is to follow the babies for a considerable period of time following birth

dementedpixie · 17/03/2021 11:22

Because in several threads and on fb people have said its all one big clinical trial and that we don't get results of any of it until 2023. I just assumed it was anti vax nonsense

dementedpixie · 17/03/2021 11:25

There are trials right now using the pfizer vaccine with pregnant women.

dementedpixie · 17/03/2021 11:27

I've read they will monitor infants until 6 months of age

mum2bin2021 · 17/03/2021 11:28

In the USA they are vaccinating pregnant women as a priority given their higher risk to covid complications. I'm 'lucky' in that I'm 39 weeks now so hopefully will be able to have the vaccine when it is offered, however I'm unsure if breastfeeding complicates things? I completely agree though, it is discriminatory against sex to not allow pregnant women to access products or services based on the fact that they are medically unable to have the vaccine. I'm sure work arounds will have to be made.

dementedpixie · 17/03/2021 11:31

You can get the vaccine if breastfeeding

Azuretwist · 17/03/2021 11:36

The good news is that you will be several months pregnant by the time anything is open, so for you personally it will not be nine months plus a further 3 months to have the vaccine. And hopefully by then the gap will be shorter than 12 weeks as more people fully vaccinated. One vaccine is a one dose one as well of approved.

notrub · 17/03/2021 12:05

@JeanClaudeVanDammit

I think one of the things that annoys me about this is that we’ve never required proof of vaccination in this country to access society even where it’s vaccination against diseases that are actually a threat to children, young people or pregnant women, such as measles, mumps and rubella. But some people can’t countenance the idea of anyone unvaccinated against covid being allowed to do the same things as them.
You're busy posting this cr*p everywhere I see.

We have herd immunity against MMR.

If we did not then we'd CERTAINLY have seen similar restrictions in play.

JeanClaudeVanDammit · 17/03/2021 12:07

You're busy posting this crp everywhere I see.*

Feel free to ignore me everywhere and anywhere.

There are parts of the country where herd immunity was seriously under threat and it has never seriously been considered.

notrub · 17/03/2021 12:09

Lovely to see so many posters in favour of (illegal) indirect discrimination against pregnant women.

This is all a smoke screen people.

I doubt if the OP is pregnant, I doubt if ANY pregnant person would be "offended" by the measures proposed. These are all anti-vaxxers pretending outrage against all and any attempts to make the world safer through vaccination.

JeanClaudeVanDammit · 17/03/2021 12:11

I doubt if the OP is pregnant, I doubt if ANY pregnant person would be "offended" by the measures proposed. These are all anti-vaxxers pretending outrage against all and any attempts to make the world safer through vaccination.

You’re posting this crap everywhere I see.

notrub · 17/03/2021 12:12

@JeanClaudeVanDammit

You're busy posting this crp everywhere I see.*

Feel free to ignore me everywhere and anywhere.

There are parts of the country where herd immunity was seriously under threat and it has never seriously been considered.

There are parts of the country where herd immunity was seriously under threat and it has never seriously been considered.

There've been a handful of small breakouts over the last 20 years - in each case vaccination teams have moved in and most of the local vaccine hesitants rushed to get vaccinated - herd immunity restored within weeks, problem solved.

So you're attempt to deflect is plain and simple deceit.

uytp · 17/03/2021 12:13

@dementedpixie

Because in several threads and on fb people have said its all one big clinical trial and that we don't get results of any of it until 2023. I just assumed it was anti vax nonsense

Ok I've found the register I was looking at in February. According to that Pfizer will be reporting mid way through 2022. Janssen reporting in 2023.

https://vac-lshtm.shinyapps.io/ncovvaccinee_landscape/

Clinical trials database- view trials
Select subset - pregnant women

JeanClaudeVanDammit · 17/03/2021 12:15

So you're attempt to deflect is plain and simple deceit.

I thought it was the anti-vaxxers who see conspiracy theories everywhere

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