Covid starting to infect wildlife?

[likeamillpond]

Somebody on Radio 4 now.
That would be bad if true. Can't vax all the animals.
Did I mishear?

Well, it came from an animal so this isn’t new is it? They’ve been saying animals can catch it all along.

What like rabies? Like I posted a thread about 8 months ago saying this and saying it would start to be seen across animals, I was mocked and thread deleted. Pretty much like when I tried to warn everyone here last January about a deadly virus in Hubei province or when I said in August to prepare for a lockdown in winter or when I said what to look for in 2021 and the issue with current vaccines (pretreatment) all threads mocked and locked!

This forum is about as free to speak our minds as any hardline regime country! I wish so many here would be more open minded rather than being stuck to whatever they’re getting bombarded with from the news.

Take it from a virologist.

What’s the issue with current vaccines? I don’t know what ‘pretreatment’ means.

I’m all ears though.

I feel your pain, I’ve often posted my professional opinion on this site on quite specific things, only to find it completely ignored in favour of the opinion of Mrs Miggins from Tesco.

Like I posted a thread about 8 months ago saying this and saying it would start to be seen across animals, I was mocked and thread deleted

@Vikval8181 eight months ago it was already known (and proven) to have been found in other animals. Big cats and primates were protected at lots of zoos during their reopening last year, there have been reports from wuhan originally of pet cats dying from respiratory conditions and then more well known reports of mink farm outbreaks and resulting in human infections (where theories have included the original mink infections may have come from seagulls).

I’m guessing that’s not why you were deleted tbh.

The “vaccines” only stop, allegedly, the severe symptoms. It does not stop transmission, you can still get it and pass it on...This could theoretically give the virus plenty of mutation room.

Vaccines
Any replication of virus vectors is not fully understood and therefore risks are not fully understood, which to me is an issue that would prevent a hasty widespread vaccination program with so little trial data. A vaccine serves as a trigger for a 'trained' immune system response. After reading the documentation from Pfizer actually they seem to have zero clues on how stable their mRNA, aside from the fact that the payload may be degraded up to 50%. There is a lot more but I just think we dont have the data and this isnt the time for experimental trials in the wild, so to speak.

@crazybunchofdolls

There was a news story this week about vaccinating orangutans and chimpanzees somewhere.

Yes I read this I think it was in California. What I have read suggests animals don’t get it very badly and are extremely unlikely to pass it to humans. So find it tricky to get worked up about it.

Cornettoninja

This is exactly what was being released. That certain animals could be infected with covid, what they weren't releasing is why and how this was happening because if they did it would point definitively to the source of this virus.

because if they did it would point definitively to the source of this virus

Which is?

The virus was created by design and not by a natural route of evolutionary processes. I am not going in to the specifics of what we know of the design but autoimmune deficiency seemed to be the ultimate goal of this design.

@XenoBitch

I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

Good call Hicks!

@houndedbytheherd

Cats get coronaviruses, and can get the Covid-19 virus and pass it on. Relatively underreported. At various points in pandemic various veterinary organisations have said to keep cats indoors, followed by vets saying please don't do that

It was widely reported at the time. The BVA and others published statements on it which set out the facts, everyone rightly calmed down.

www.bva.co.uk/news-and-blog/news-article/bva-statement-on-cats-and-covid-19/

@Vikval8181 thanks.

I have no opinion on the validity of what you’re claiming but it does stray into very unstable waters in terms of verifiable fact. The implications are delicate politically and societally so I’m not surprised that your posts are sometimes deleted tbh.

I believe that once the immediate peak threat has passed there will be more in depth conversation
about the origins of covid but I also remember the absolute idiocy in some quarters after 9/11. Individuals have gut reactions to the idea they have been or might be harmed, at a societal level it can be incredibly damaging.

@ChocOrange1

Monkey World asks all visitors over the age of 3 to wear masks, because apes can catch covid and be similarly affected to humans. Once humans are vaccinated, it doesn't really matter if animals catch it does it? Obviously we aren't going to lock down the country to prevent vets from being overwhelmed.

Ah but it does matter. If it can hop from us to them and vice versa then the a animals can act as a reservoir where new variations can form. Which of course will not be good news for us.

If it can hop from us to them and vice versa then the a animals can act as a reservoir where new variations can form

Citation for this? Or is it your own theory?

That was why they culled the mink in Denmark.

So likeamillpond is right? That's a bit chilling.

@pinkearedcow

If it can hop from us to them and vice versa then the a animals can act as a reservoir where new variations can form

Citation for this? Or is it your own theory?

Mutations occur when a virus reproduces. The more times it reproduces, the more variations can occur. That's just a basic fact.

The problem was the mink being in large numbers in such close quarters meant a possibility of a large amount of infections. Notice the authorities didn't muck about.

I'm not bothered about a lonely local wild mink coughing on me tbh.

Sorry likeamillpond I should have thought a bit more before posting.

I'm not bothered about a lonely local wild mink coughing on me tbh.

I’ll bet the badgers are worried.

@XenoBitch

I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

🤣

Mutations occur when a virus reproduces. The more times it reproduces, the more variations can occur.

It's not just mutation that is a concern, its recombination. For example, avian flu does not transmit easily to humans nor between infected humans. However, pigs can be infected by both avian and human flu. If they are infected with both types at the same time, the viruses can swap genetic material that can result in a type of avian flu that can infect humans more easily. Or it could be a bat and a pangolin...