Stats on Oxford vaccine

[Dementedswan]

Does anyone know the stats on the Oxford vaccine? There seems to be a lot of conflicting reports. Is it true its not as effective as the others?

@Dementedswan

I think there has been so much bad press about the Az plus a Google on trials etc shows that Oxford has 64% efficiency compared to the other vaccines which are over 95%.

No . The data above states that after the first dose efficacy is 70% and later 100% effective against hospitalisation and death.

67% is the effect on reducing transmission

The Johnson and Johnson vaccine has similar efficacy and is being used a lot in the US though that only requires one dose a d as a PP mentioned, one dose of AZ looks better than one dose of pzifer ( after enough time has passed) on the evidence at the moment

Thanks, I find it all fascinating. Especially the speed in which this is being rolled out. Who would have thought one year on we would have not one but multiple vaccines!

I had the AZ and had a massive response to it, full on chills, aching, painful arm, high temp, felt dreadful for 24 hours BUT I have had Covid in January

I am just pleased and relieved that I had it, I might have natural antibodies but vaccination is thought to be better and longer lasting.

Apparently all over 40s may have their jabs by Easter. That's amazing!

@notrub

You cannot just say "efficacy" without specifying WHAT you mean.

Vaccines NEVER prevent infection - they just prompt your immune systems to respond MUCH quicker to an infection.

If the immune response is fast enough, you eliminate the virus before you have sufficient to test +ve.

Not quite as fast, and you can test +ve, but never get symptoms

Slower and you get symptoms, but not serious illness.

Somewhere in there there is the point where you mop it up before you are contagious.

At present ALL the vaccines are known to prevent serious illness/death pretty equally - 95%+

We won't know which one is best for months .

I’ve been really surprised to hear during all this that vaccines do not prevent infection. So with, say, the MMR, are those diseases still being caught, but we just don’t know it because our DCs have been immunised? Or is it that the diseases are basically not around because nobody produces enough reaction to become infectious? (I do know we still get measles outbreaks).

And how did we eradicate smallpox and polio? Having to rethink what I thought I knew!

@partyatthepalace

All the vaccines have been tested and proven to be effective. They will all have small strengths and weaknesses but will all do a decent job of stopping you from getting seriously ill.

The situation is so fluid that the data changes all the time as more people are vaccinated, and more variants emerge. So read it all in that light.

The tendency to rubbish AZ, in my opinion, is at least it part down to the fact it’s been designed to be cheap and accessible, and thus will never make as much money as some of the alternatives. But the in the end, a cheap and accessible vaccine is the only thing that can work globally, and global vaccination is the only way to stop endless variants emerging, thus is the only way to get this situation under control.

But in a nutshell - they all work.

What a brilliant post!

I'd be interested to know that too @partystress

If you get to low enough levels the virus will not be circulating, or at least not enough to cause problems. This is why we need here immunity, and why it's so important for people to have it even if they don't believe themselves to be at risk.

The statements about over 40’s , 50’s and other groups getting vaccine relate to people being offered the vaccine. And by that they mean being sent a letter or a text saying you can book.

We will never get 100% uptake over any time period. Additionally initial response to offers will be high but nowhere near 80 or 90%. For example London queues for vaccine centres move fast because of high levels of hesitancy.

Does anyone know what take up of the vaccine the UK needs to suppress the virus?

Here you go:

That's very encouraging! I assume the other vaccines are roughly the same too?

We may finally have a way out of this mess, especially once it's proven safe for children too

The measles virus is still about. However because we largely have herd immunity it doesn't spread.
Where there are lots of children not having had the jab there will be an outbreak.
See here in Bristol a couple of years ago
www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-england-bristol-44669112

Children who can have the jab do so to give the virus less hosts and therefore less chance of spreading to children who can't have the jab.

Children have recently been included (last 5 or 6 years) in the flu vaccination program because although they don't get it badly on the whole they can pass it on. So they get vaccinated so they can't pass it to their parents and grandparents.

I don't think they know yet what the uptake needs to be to reduce covid to acceptable levels which is why it's important as many people who can have the jab do so

For a virus to be eradicated there has to be no cases for 3 years.
Polio was declared eradicated in Africa last year I believe. It's not yet global eradication because there are still cases in Afghanistan.

If you've had one why not join the Zoe app and add your data? The more people that sign up, the more we'll know

@hedgehogger1

If you've had one why not join the Zoe app and add your data? The more people that sign up, the more we'll know

I can’t find anywhere on the Zoe app to record vaccination

Zoe app asks you every time you log whether you have had a vaccine

The Zoe app doesn’t ask me snd I’d like to pug the info in - where do you put it? Thanks.

It asks on the daily log - have you ever had a covid test? have you ever had a covid vaccine? are you feeling physically normal? Are you not seeing that?

Mine asks if I’ve ever had a covid test and then asks if I’m feeling normal - no mention of vaccine 🤔

covid.joinzoe.com/post/covid-vaccine-questions#:~:text=If%20you're%20still%20not,after%20setting%20up%20their%20profile.

details here - may need to update app?