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anyone working in hospitals know when we are gonna start hospital treatment/surgery for non vivid cases?

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fightingSmiths · 07/03/2021 07:20

that's really. I am in the NW, have severe endometriosis for which I need surgery. Had a date but got cancelled due to covid and now told it may be another 2 years due to waiting lists. I am in daily agony now and have no quality of life left.

I appreciate many others are in similar boats for all sorts of conditions. I spoke to someone in the gyne department last week and was told nothing is happening yet (and nothing has happened for almost a year).

but with numbers coming down I was hoping it would be sooner than later. I appreciate we have a pandemic going on but I don't understand how people are denied treatment when they are left bed bound bound at times just because they don't happen to have covid. I am just desperate to get a bit of quality of life back.

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babyyodaxmas · 07/03/2021 09:28

We are starting elective work. But for "big" OPs eg: hips , knees and abdominal surgery you need a "clean" ITU. Unless you have a seperate site this is very difficult.

beckypv · 07/03/2021 09:31

@Motorina how does it work with extra shifts? Surely the nurses and doctors get paid when they work more shifts. I know some obviously don’t want to work more as it disrupts their work life balance (which is totally fair enough). But I’m not sure i’d solely describe it as ‘good will and volunteering’ when they do get paid for it. I imagine it’s a staffing and space problem as there aren’t enough employees in the system to cover it, partly because they are broken by the stresses they have been under in the last year.

Motorina · 07/03/2021 11:31

[quote beckypv]@Motorina how does it work with extra shifts? Surely the nurses and doctors get paid when they work more shifts. I know some obviously don’t want to work more as it disrupts their work life balance (which is totally fair enough). But I’m not sure i’d solely describe it as ‘good will and volunteering’ when they do get paid for it. I imagine it’s a staffing and space problem as there aren’t enough employees in the system to cover it, partly because they are broken by the stresses they have been under in the last year.[/quote]
It's a good question, and the answer is it depends.

Most staff work the nominal contracted hours they want to do. If you want to work part-time, you apply for a part-time job. I'm contracted to do 30 hours a week. I like working part time, because it allows me to do all the other life stuff (laundry, housework, whatever...) and still get some down time.

In practice, I work 35+ hours a week. Nearer 40, most weeks. My lunch hour is unpaid, I always work through it. I invariably work late. I not infrequently come in for stuff on my day off. That's never paid - it's simply expected. That's 5-10 hours a week I do for free, because that's the culture in a chronically understaffed service.

If I work an extra day then, yes, I get paid for it. But I don't want to work fulltime. If I wanted to, I'd be working full time hours already. So I'm not going in thinking, "Yay, more hours - the money will be really handy." I'm going in because my patients/my team need me. Because someone's off sick and there's a gap that needs plugging so patients aren't cancelled. Because we're chronically understaffed and waiting lists are growing, and I feel bad about that. Sometimes I have to cancel personal plans to cover unfilled shifts. I don't want to work those hours, but the need is there, so...

It's paid. But the motivator is good will and a sense of duty. If that good will gets ground down then people start saying no. This has already been a problem in covering gaps - people are exhausted already and have run out of caring to give.

Right now, there's additional covid stuff to be done, too. I - like lots of people - have volunteered for vaccinator shifts on non-working days. That's paid, too. But it's paid at a much lower band than my normal one. If I'm used (haven't been yet) I will be paid about a third of my normal rate. If you asked me pre-covid if I'd be willing to work a sunday shift for a third of my standard pay you'd have got a laugh or a rude word, depending on how knackered I was. Right now, with covid, lots of people are doing that. Again, the motivator is good will and service, not the money. When I could earn literally three times as much doing my normal role, then to do those shifts definitely feels like volunteering, even though they're paid.

The NHS as a whole runs entirely on that sort of good will, because it's chronically understaffed. Yeah, that means I earn more. But believe me when I say that I dream of being fully staffed so I don't end up having to work on my day off so patients don't suffer.

Donotfeedthebears · 07/03/2021 11:58

My friend is waiting for a gynae op in the south-west, she’s been told it’s a four year long waiting list...

VivaLeBeaver · 07/03/2021 12:10

Totally agree with @Motorina. I used to work part time for the nhs. I didn't need or want the money from doing extras. Obviously it's nice but to be honest it didn't compensate me enough for the stress and dread of another shift. If I ever did extras it was because I felt bad for my colleagues when it was short staffed.

fightingSmiths · 07/03/2021 12:14

@Donotfeedthebears

My friend is waiting for a gynae op in the south-west, she’s been told it’s a four year long waiting list...
Goodness. How do they expect people to cope. I hope she isn't in too much pain! that's horrendous. Though I am brazing myself for what the actual wait will be once it opens up again. I worry the 2 year mark is yesteryears prediction and it may be worse
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Motorina · 07/03/2021 13:25

@VivaLeBeaver totally that.

I get that in some occupations people rely on regular overtime to make up their pay-packet. The NHS isn't like that. It's so understaffed that, if I went to my boss tomorrow and said, "more hours please?" I'd have them as soon as she could say 'sign here', with all the security of sick pay, holiday pay, maternity, etc...

I don't, cos I want the time more than the money. If I work extra days I still want the time more than the money, but I get the money instead because I feel guilty about leaving my colleagues in the lurch.

That's what I mean about volunteering for extra shifts, and the system struggling as good will ebbs away.

Donotfeedthebears · 07/03/2021 13:38

Even before Covid, I know someone who worked in an eye clinic where patients (with treatable conditions) were left to go blind as the waiting list was too long to see them. Yet they could be seen privately and save their sight if they could afford it.

I don’t blame the staff at all, it’s the system. It’s shocking that people like the OP are left in pain and possibly unable to work and having to claim benefits because they can’t be treated in a reasonable time period.

beckypv · 07/03/2021 13:41

@Motorina thank you, I think you have explained it really well. Like everything in life, it’s not black and white. I too work part time and chose to for family balance, and similarly would only work extra (at a lower than normal rate), to help out my colleagues rather than wanting to.
I guess my point was there will be people like you who do it because of ‘team spiritness’ but also those who take on extra shifts for extra money (maybe their saving for a house or something).
I think it’s the blanket statements (I see in the media since the budget) about how difficult it’s been for nurses having to work extra shifts is a bit too simplistic in a method for gaining sympathy for the last year. I absolutely admire the nurses for what they do whilst on shift, the trauma they see and deal with, the difficult working conditions and that is what I feel they need and deserve support/reward for.

Wilma55 · 07/03/2021 13:43

My postponed cataract op is now on 19 March. East of England.

UserTwice · 07/03/2021 13:47

Treatment which is running and treatment which is not seems to be patchy.

DD has been waiting for a hospital appointment for nearly 4 months as her consultant hasn't been seeing f2f patients during that time. As in, she's just waiting to get an appointment scheduled, never mind have the actual appointment as the hospital doesn't know at what time patients will be able to be seen.

Meerschweinchen1990 · 07/03/2021 13:52

You poor thing, being in pain all the time is just miserable! 😞 I’ve been waiting 15 months for an elective operation and still no indication of when it might happen. But understand staff have been flat out for months and months and they need a break as well. Such a difficult position to be in!

VivaLeBeaver · 07/03/2021 13:54

It’s terrible that people are being left in pain for so long. There will also be people struggling with mobility, waiting for hip operations, etc....often older people. Others may have potentially life saving surgery delayed and people will die/are dying due to the delays.

ACovidofWitches · 08/03/2021 11:48

No solutions but I just wanted to say how much I feel for you. I have a friend who had severe endo and went through a huge surgery to fix it last year. It's a terrible condition and there isn't enough care even outside of Covid.

I would say sometimes making a nuisance of yourself can get you somewhere so you need to write to your MP and badger your doctors. But I realise that's unlikely to help much as many others will be in the same boat.

You have all my sympathy.

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