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(TW re: pregnancy/infant loss) Irish Times report on potential link between Covid and stillbirth

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PenisBeakerIsMyFavouriteMuppet · 04/03/2021 23:13

www.irishtimes.com/news/health/four-stillbirths-among-women-with-covid-19-prompt-alert-to-maternity-staff-on-precautionary-basis-1.4501500?mode=amp

A number of stillbirths among women with Covid-19 has prompted separate alerts from the Health Service Executive (HSE) and the Institute of Obstetricians.

The alerts have been sent to maternity staff across the country after postmortems identified Covid-19 infection of the placenta as a factor in four recent stillbirths.

On foot of the postmortem findings, two separate coroners took the unusual step of contacting the HSE directly with their concerns. The women had mild or moderate symptoms of Covid-19, but were not very unwell.

The stillbirths, which occurred in the first two months of this year, have yet to be examined at inquests, which are not bound to follow the findings of the postmortems.

Dr Ronan Glynn, Deputy Chief Medical Officer said on Thursday evening: “We have been made aware of four preliminary reports of stillbirths potentially associated with a condition called Covid Placentitis.

“These reports should be interpreted with caution as the coroners have not yet concluded their findings. The HSE’s National Women and Infants Programme is aware of and is monitoring the situation and has issued a related notice to obstetric departments.

“I would ask that the privacy of all of those affected by this disease continue to be respected at all times.”

Two of the stillbirths were included in Nphet’s daily mortality figures on Thursday evening.

Meanwhile, while international experience showed it was “not unusual” for Covid-19 to cause placental infection, stillbirth was an “unusual complication”, Prof Peter McKenna, head of the HSE women and infants health programme, told The Irish Times.

The fact four stillbirths had occurred in a short time and among the small population of women with Covid-19 had raised concerns, prompting the HSE to issue the alert, he said.

Despite the absence of international evidence for Covid-related stillbirth, it was decided to issue the alert on a precautionary basis.

In each of the cases, pathologists found the placenta from the women who had Covid was inflamed, thereby impairing blood flow to the fetus.

There has been no overall increase in stillbirths during the pandemic, research from the US and UK indicates.

A study from Cork, in relation to one woman with the virus who gave birth successfully by emergency caesarean, found placental inflammation was an uncommon complication of infection but appeared to have the potential to cause “significant placental injury, potentially resulting in fetal compromise”.

Prof McKenna urged pregnant women to do all they can to protect themselves from getting Covid-19. As a result of the postmortem findings, expecting mothers who have had Covid-19 are likely to be monitored more intensively and for longer than normal as a precaution, he said, and may be induced or delivered earlier.

“I’d be cautious about drawing too much from this. It could be an unfortunate coincidence,” said Dr Cliona Murphy, chairwoman of the Institute of Obstetricians.

She urged pregnant women who test positive for Covid-19 to get a check-up as soon as their isolation period was finished, and not to hesitate about seeking medical attention if they have concerns.

In January, the HSE said 548 pregnant women had tested positive for the virus during the pandemic, but this is regarded as an underestimate. Some 41 were hospitalised and under five required admission to ICU.

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I’m in Ireland and this is the first reference I’ve seen to this issue. The report says that there’s no reported increase in the UK/US, and the numbers in this report are obviously too small to give an accurate overview, but I hope there’s much more research planned.

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Girlmama3 · 05/03/2021 11:30

Absolutely heart broken by this. I’m 4 weeks pg and now wish I’d waited for my vaccine 🥲

Donotfeedthebears · 05/03/2021 11:37

@Girlmama3

Absolutely heart broken by this. I’m 4 weeks pg and now wish I’d waited for my vaccine 🥲
Why would you be heartbroken? In all likelihood you and your baby will be fine. If you really want to you can have the vaccine in pregnancy.

jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2774088 Suggests that “ There was no evidence of any increase in stillbirths regionally or nationally during the COVID-19 pandemic in England when compared with the same months in the previous year and despite variable community SARS-CoV-2 incidence rates in different regions.”

www.tommys.org/about-us/charity-news/stillbirth-and-premature-birth-rates-not-affected-covid-19

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40238300.html%3ftype=amp

Girlmama3 · 05/03/2021 11:41

@Donotfeedthebears Um maybe because it’s actually quite a big thing to be worried about.

There are no trials for the vaccine and pregnancy so how do you know that’s safe?

AlexaPlayWhiteNoise · 05/03/2021 11:42

I'm on several baby loss groups and ive seen it several times recently where the baby has been lost in the second and third trimester. The mum had mild symptoms but covid was found in the placenta at the post mortem of the baby.

Donotfeedthebears · 05/03/2021 11:52

I’m pregnant too...

Regarding trials, personally I wouldn’t have the vaccine during pregnancy but I have read that loads of MNetters have had it. A lot of American healthcare staff have had it.

www.rcog.org.uk/en/guidelines-research-services/coronavirus-covid-19-pregnancy-and-womens-health/covid-19-vaccines-and-pregnancy/covid-19-vaccines-pregnancy-and-breastfeeding/

“Q. How can you say the COVID-19 vaccine won’t affect pregnancy when there isn’t any data?
COVID-19 vaccines do not contain ingredients that are known to be harmful to pregnant women or to a developing baby. Studies of the vaccines in animals to look at the effects on pregnancy have shown no evidence that the vaccine causes harm to the pregnancy or to fertility.

The COVID-19 vaccines that we are using in the UK are not ‘live’ vaccines and so cannot cause COVID-19 infection in you or your baby. Vaccines based on live viruses are avoided in pregnancy in case they infect the developing baby and cause harm. However, non-live vaccines have previously been shown to be safe in pregnancy (for example, flu and whooping cough). Pregnant women are offered other non-live vaccines, such as those against flu.”

Looking at the previous research studies I linked too, I would rely on that data more than anecdotal posts on Mumsnet.

Very sadly, stillbirth is not rare outside of Covid. 1 in 200 babies are stillborn according to the NHS. www.nhs.uk/conditions/stillbirth/

poppycat10 · 05/03/2021 13:28

@Girlmama3

Absolutely heart broken by this. I’m 4 weeks pg and now wish I’d waited for my vaccine 🥲
Did you mean to say 4 months?

If you're 4 weeks then presumably you had the vaccine before you knew you were pregnant (and potentially before you were technically pregnant at all. I wouldn't worry.

And if you are 4 months you are past the sensitive 3 months.

I actually thought this was more to do with lacklustre healthcare during lockdowns when I saw the title.

Girlmama3 · 05/03/2021 14:56

@poppycat10 I’m 4 weeks. I won’t be due my vaccine until they call the under 40’s. Probably May/June time.

TerryRose · 05/03/2021 16:44

Are any others countries talking about this or just Ireland so far ?
I know they have to report things like this but it's definitely so scary 😟

icantthinkofanamehelp · 05/03/2021 16:49

There has been no increase in still births here in the UK in a year since the pandemic started.
Surely we would of seen this by now if it wasn't a extremely rare issue .
I really wouldn't worry about this .
Stillbirth is incredibly sad but this could be due to lack of health care to etc which I've found is still really good here in england during pregnancy. The USA have seen no increased risk of still birth to.

amp.rte.ie/amp/1201087/

I saw this today about the news from Ireland which explains things better :)

Racoonworld · 05/03/2021 17:38

I thought this was a fairly well known risk? When I was pregnant during the first lockdown last year all the advice was to strictly keep to the rules particularly in third trimester because of the risk of premature labour and stillbirth. I remember my midwife making sure I was isolating and telling me the risks.

icantthinkofanamehelp · 05/03/2021 17:41

No they have said before today there is no link to having covid19 and still birth

Racoonworld · 05/03/2021 17:43

@icantthinkofanamehelp

No they have said before today there is no link to having covid19 and still birth
Really? Then what was all the information about the risk of premature labour about, which is why third trimester is considered more at risk?
icantthinkofanamehelp · 05/03/2021 17:46

Premature labour yes
Still birth no.

The risk of prem birth goes from 7.5 per cent to 12 per cent if you have covid . Mostly that's because they decide to deliver to early to allow the mother to recover more easily and faster .
The royal college of midwives has a lot of information about this

There has been no link to neonatal death/still birth and all babies born early have apparently done well

icantthinkofanamehelp · 05/03/2021 17:48

During the first lockdown they wouldn't of had much data on this but after a year we would be seeing a lot more issues during pregnancy if the risk was hugely increased by now

Girlmama3 · 05/03/2021 19:11

It’s more dangerous in the third trimester because your lung capacity is much lower isn’t it?

Screwcorona · 05/03/2021 19:16

Israel is reporting similar. 3 stillbirths linked to covid. One if the babies had contracted covid in utero the others were due to the mothers having covid only.

This is why I'm stressed too. I'm hoping restrictions dont change as fast as planned

HSHorror · 05/03/2021 19:16

England are exposing a lot more pg women.
Teachers
Parents of school age and preschool.
All exposed with no distacing or masks effectively.

A fever is generally not good in pregnancy. (Though i get ill easily and had several per pregnancy)

It does seem strange there has been no issue before but the last few months we will have seen more women infected march onwards

As i say if this is the case i would expect more of an issue in england relating to jun onwards when schools went back and preschool, then higher from sept - dec.

The fact pg women were probably being careful to start with too. (Which also to me says the data on which health conditions are worst with covid can be wrong)

Girlmama3 · 05/03/2021 19:24

What are we meant to do when they’re at school and dp goes back to work?

Once the restrictions are gone everyone will be back to normal.

Circumlocutious · 05/03/2021 19:57

We know that at the peak of this current wave of hospitalizations about 10% of all those in ICU were either pregnant or had recently given birth. The third trimester is a time to be especially cautious. That’s one reason why you can’t say that ‘all the vulnerable have been vaccinated’ (there are other groups too, eg ECV children)

Screwcorona · 05/03/2021 20:03

I discussed this with my midwife today as although I understand the risk is low, its alarming to hear when you are pregnant.

She said that they can only go off RCOG here but that she understands why these overseas cases would concern me, and that taking further precautions as I see fit is a good idea. Obviously they cant advise otherwise. I wont do anything drastic but I think for me personally I will keep my contacts as low as possible despite restrictions loosening just to be on the safe side.

StillCounting123 · 05/03/2021 22:27

Thanks for raising awareness of this, OP.

My heart aches for those families affected by this.

I suppose one thing to hold on to for those who are currently pregnant is the fact that with vaccines and coming into warmer weather there will be less Covid virus in the community, which means less chance of catching it.

So many other things to worry about during pregnancy, I think Covid is a risk, but not an overwhelming one.

Hope all those on here who are pregnant have a safe and nice pregnancy 💟

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