Labour or Conservative?

[Moonstone1234]

The Coronavirus threads often have posters trying to score political points so I thought if you cannot beat them join them.

If there was an election now who would win?

Really sad that you now have to vote for the "least worst option:, rather than actually FOR someone.

My previous party (labour) have done the following in a VERY (red wall) labour area

1. parachuted a labour candidate from London, ignoring the grass roots candidates, and pissing everyone off. Apparently it didn't cross the leaderships mind that people might NOT vote for such a person.
2. managed to put themselves in a position where ANY argument about the torys handling of the Covid situation is instantly won by "do you think labour would have been better (no, no I don't)

Out of the two choices Labour of course.

Gaaah posted itself

Biggest problem of course is that my ex-party now thinks I don't exist as a woman, and that sex based rights are also for men (who incidentally do exist)

@sonnysunshine

Tories because people are,cor have been, one or more of the following A) Misled by the press which is very heavily weighted by the right wing and people find it hard to see how biased the papers are. B) self serving and earn above average and want to protect their wealth C) Have bought into the idea that even if they are poorly paid the economy is is better under Tories (even if they personally are not) D) Anti-imigration / anti-single mothers / anti-people on benefits (press have done their job well) and labour would be soft on these. E) Believe we should be led by private school boys (to be fair this could be either party) F,) Despite years of being treated badly by the Tories like the status quo G) think though he has made mistakes Boris has done better than the others would

This doesn’t explain why the Tories win. But it does explain why the left still won’t win over the electorate. Which is because they don’t like or respect the electorate and would rather blame them for the lefts failure to engage with ordinary people.

Keir Stammer needs to connect with ordinary people not just the urban elite. Simple messages that resonate outside Islington is what is needed. Tell people he will provide good jobs.

Btw Very few people read print newspapers anymore or even the online versions.

I’d vote Labour but the Conservatives would win with a significantly reduced majority.

Conservative

Mainly due to the vaccine

WAIT

People do understand that its who I think will win don’t they!

This doesn’t explain why the Tories win. But it does explain why the left still won’t win over the electorate. Which is because they don’t like or respect the electorate and would rather blame them for the lefts failure to engage with ordinary people

The insistence of a sizeable section of MC Labour that the working classes would vote differently if they were not "misled" (aka stupid) will be a key factor in losing the next election if it isn't changed.

That and the fact that Labour is haemorrhaging support from women.

Doubtless Seumas and John will be blaming the plebs again as they swig the champers from their expensive West and North London homes.

Alan Johnson is spot on in this interview (about 3'50" into the video).

Thank you all. It WOULD be funny if the Conservatives got in in Scotland. Not going to happen though is it. A PP was spot in with the analysis of why Labour wont win in the red walls. Until they recognise that if you DONT vote Labour you arent dim, stupid, deluded etc they wont get anywhere at all.

Now if Alan Johnson was in charge of Labour.... that man summed it up beautifully on election night and without a script. He was clearly speaking from the heart. That's what people want to hear.

I’d like to see a Labour government, but I’m not really sure what they stand for at the moment. They need to get their ducks properly in a row before the next general election comes around. If there was an election tomorrow the Tories would win.

Conservative would win. Labour hate women and I don't understand how women can vote for them.

Labour has pretty much lost its core vote. I was brought up in a town that would return Labour MPs with massive majorities at every election when I was growing up - it was a done deal, everyone voted Labour. The Tories were viewed not just as the opposition but as “scum” - they were utterly despised.

In 2019, the sitting Labour MP (who is actually very very good) scraped a win and a Tory actually won one of the neighbouring, more rural, seats.

The institutions that tied the “working class” to Labour have eroded (the trade union, WMCs) and the connection is now lost. Those voters are far more mobile and have been taken for granted for far too long; it makes them fertile ground for (usually empty) promises from parties that their parents and grandparents would not even have contemplated voting for.

Tory all the way.

Labour is a shambles with no coherent positioning on pretty much anything, a dislike of women, ignorance of science, a dangerous and divisive attitude to society, and no new ideas. It’s like tom cats fighting in a sack. Pointless and no one really wins.

Conservative

The Conservatives would win, but I have absolutely no idea how or why people vote for them.

I would vote Labour. They may not be perfect, but they would have handled the pandemic far more cautiously and we would probably have fewer dead.

This thread has nothing to do with the Coronavirus topic. It should be moved to the Politics section or similar

Can someone please explain to me why Labour hate women? I am a gender critical feminist but don't feel a political party need to align to every one of my beliefs, just the overall trend. My desire for social equality and assistance for the poor overrides one bad policy.

The Tories would win another comfortable majority.

Now that Corbyn & his cronies have gone, I would vote Labour for the first time since 2015.

Labour will struggle to ever form a UK Government again - the loss of a solid block of 30-40 odd seats in Scotland which historically returned Labour MPs which are now held by the SNP prevents it.

It's why privately Johnson and most senior Tories, for all their shouting, don't care really if Scotland went independent as it would guarantee a Tory Government in most circumstances.

My desire for social equality and assistance for the poor overrides one bad policy

And how do half the population get equality when the root cause of that inequality is removed from the discrimination acts and from Labour's own membership form (which allows self ID and uses that for women's roles, scholarships and representation).

C8

Well said.

@hamper555

Conservative. Cannot imagine what state we would be in if Labour had been running the country through the pandemic

It doesn't even bear thinking about

@Wishitsnows

Conservative would win. Labour hate women and I don't understand how women can vote for them.

Labour only care about men. It's a party for men by men.

@whatswithtodaytoday

Can someone please explain to me why Labour hate women? I am a gender critical feminist but don't feel a political party need to align to every one of my beliefs, just the overall trend. My desire for social equality and assistance for the poor overrides one bad policy.

Ask Lisa Nandy. She thinks transwomen who have been convicted of rape should be housed in women's prisons,if they choose. Women like her only care about well off educated women, not poor disadvantaged abused working class women and girls. We see it time and time again.

Conservatives.