We should be vaccinating children and parents

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Just that. We have hubs for age groups, we have GP led vaccination for at risk groups (though I know this has been a spectacular failure).

We are about to open schools and chilcare, with the intentional result of fully opening offices to full time work hours again.

Surely it makes sense to operate vaccination drives in schools - for children and parents? Curb the spread through schools - and much through offices - before it happens?

Otherwise, we're going to end up locked down again.

On that note - shouldn't we be vaccinating in-office workers generally?

Has it been trialled on children?
We don't know the long term effects of this vaccination.
It has a very limited scope, and doesn't stop the spread.

[quote saffire]Would you like to offer your children up for the vaccination trials?

covid19vaccinetrial.co.uk/childrens-trial-list[/quote]
The other parent would object - so we'll have to wait.

And yes, I would happily get it myself and consent to mine getting it today if it was offered (and I could provide all consent).

Do you grasp that spread of cases won't lead to lockdown?

I’m glad we have actual scientists deciding these things, not bored Mumsnetters.

Parents ARE being vaccinated.

If you have a secondary school child, you're likely to be at least 30 (I am aware you might be 23 but realistically most parents of 11 year olds are 29+). A good swathe will be at least 40. The next two grouped are 40+ and 30+.

If you have a primary aged child you may still be in your 20s but plenty in their 30s and 40s.

You will get done.

Frankly the only people I think need prioritising after G6 is teachers and police officers.

@CodenameVillanelle

Do you grasp that spread of cases won't lead to lockdown?

I understand that wasn't the initial intention at the outset of the pandemic, but the government and sage do appear to be moving towards a model of reducing cases rather than purely hospitalisations. There is more focus on long covid for example. So I do believe that increased spread will lead to lock down, yes.

All adults will be offered a vaccine. Everyone wants a particular group to go first - teachers, police, supermarket workers, office workers, parents.

Vaccinating by age is quickest because GPs/NHS have a register of everyone by age. They don't have a list of who is a parent or who is an office worker. By the time they get all that information and we have argued about who should be eligible to have it first, everyone would be done anyway!
Every person having the vaccine improves our chances as a country, even if that person works from home or is furloughed. We will all eventually be offered it in the next few months. People just need to have a bit of patience. We can't all be first!

@picknmix1984

No we shouldn't! Honestly the comments gets more ridiculous each day!

Mumsnet, home of the more qualified to pass judgement on the vaccine rollout strategy than all the CMOs and UK's best scientists combined

I was wondering the other day what happened to all the posters who were so strident about the vaccine must be done 24/7, wouldn't have it that more centres in normal hours was by far the best way to do it. Interesting to know if they still think that should have been the way to go.

We won't be locked down again. We'll have 20m people jabbed by tomorrow. Cases will rise but we won't see the nhs being swamped nor will we see the number of deaths rising like last time.

It is illegal to give s drug to a category it is not licenced for. It is not licenced for under 16 years.

I understand that wasn't the initial intention at the outset of the pandemic, but the government and sage do appear to be moving towards a model of reducing cases rather than purely hospitalisations. There is more focus on long covid for example. So I do believe that increased spread will lead to lock down, yes

It was made clear at the last press conference with Boris Johnson that as the link between cases and hospitalisations has been broken due to the vaccine, the focus will now be on hospitalisation numbers rather than case numbers. Did you watch it?

@MrBullinaChinaShop

I’m glad we have actual scientists deciding these things, not bored Mumsnetters.

Exactly! Everyone's all of a sudden an expert on all things covid related.

the government and sage do appear to be moving towards a model of reducing cases rather than purely hospitalisations. There is more focus on long covid for example. So I do believe that increased spread will lead to lock down, yes.

This government HATES lockdown. It is antithetical to the ultra Tory hardliners who pull BoJo's strings. There is no way in hell they will prolong lockdown beyond what is necessary. I don't know why you think they would.

@CodenameVillanelle

the government and sage do appear to be moving towards a model of reducing cases rather than purely hospitalisations. There is more focus on long covid for example. So I do believe that increased spread will lead to lock down, yes.

This government HATES lockdown. It is antithetical to the ultra Tory hardliners who pull BoJo's strings. There is no way in hell they will prolong lockdown beyond what is necessary. I don't know why you think they would.

The covid recovery faction hate lockdown. Rishi Sunak is in a great hurry to entirely open up. There is another faction which sees it as the go-to option (as we've seen 3 or 4 times now), led by Matt Hancock.

So, the solution is to vaccinate the least vulnerable section of society for whom we have the least amount of data on the safety and efficacy of the vaccines, so we can stick it to the covid recovery Tories?

@caringcarer

It is illegal to give s drug to a category it is not licenced for. It is not licenced for under 16 years.

Lots of kids drugs are unlicensed, I had this arguement when the GP refused to prescribe liquid omeprazole

Fgs, if covid was something more like Ebola, which is dangerous and possibly fatal to anyone of any age, then yes vaccinate away. But it isn’t and for most under 50’s it is nothing more than a cold or flu, no need for vaccinations and no need to even worry about spread amongst this age group.

@FourTeaFallOut

So, the solution is to vaccinate the least vulnerable section of society for whom we have the least amount of data on the safety and efficacy of the vaccines, so we can stick it to the covid recovery Tories?

I suppose the solution is either to vaccinate the inhabiters of the greatest spreading spaces (e.g. those in enclosed spaces, schools, offices, hospitals, prisons etc) before they fill up with people again, or commit to a pathway of reopening and no further lockdown.

It's notable that there is no firm commitment to the latter, which means they are retaining it as a lever to use in future months.

What is the situation with 2nd jabs?
Will the number of 1st jab appointments available need to reduce, in order to accommodate timely 2nd jabs?

Lots of kids drugs are unlicensed, I had this arguement when the GP refused to prescribe liquid omeprazole

Prescribing an unlicensed drug to an individual for their specific benefit is one thing. Proposing to use it on all children before the appropriate trials are complete, not for their direct benefit but for the national interest, would be unethical.

The trials will be done, almost certainly it'll be fine, and then the kids will be vaccinated.

@picknmix1984

No we shouldn't! Honestly the comments gets more ridiculous each day!

Indeed they do.

I guess the ones trying to provoke a reaction have used every reasonable scenario 1,000 times already. Then we've had the completely unreasonable scenarios and now on to the blatantly ridiculous. There's nothing left now.

@ErrolTheDragon

Lots of kids drugs are unlicensed, I had this arguement when the GP refused to prescribe liquid omeprazole

Prescribing an unlicensed drug to an individual for their specific benefit is one thing. Proposing to use it on all children before the appropriate trials are complete, not for their direct benefit but for the national interest, would be unethical.

The trials will be done, almost certainly it'll be fine, and then the kids will be vaccinated.

i wasn't suggesting kids have it

There won't be another lockdown.^^ I genuinely believe that the Governments and media started placing greater emphasis on case numbers last year because the death numbers were too low and if they could point to rising case numbers to scare enough people into submission.

Now that the link between cases and hospitalisation/death has/is being broken, case numbers are pretty much irrelevant.

Ffs

Cases will rise when the children return to school. Hospitalisations will not rise to the same degree as in earlier waves and nor will deaths. But you know this.

Second doses will be administered alongside first doses. But you know this.

You just don't like it.

I think if you can't sell this to parents who are about to send their children to school in a fortnight then you are fighting a losing battle.

@ErrolTheDragon

Lots of kids drugs are unlicensed, I had this arguement when the GP refused to prescribe liquid omeprazole

Prescribing an unlicensed drug to an individual for their specific benefit is one thing. Proposing to use it on all children before the appropriate trials are complete, not for their direct benefit but for the national interest, would be unethical.

The trials will be done, almost certainly it'll be fine, and then the kids will be vaccinated.

OP though apparently more than happy to let her kids have an unlicensed untested drug!

If we simply aren't going to lock down ever again, I would happily agree that there is no point vaccinating kids and parents before the schools (and by design all the offices) open up again in March. Tiers 3 and 4 need to stay gone also.

The above would be marvellous and I dearly hope that's what happens.