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Way out without vaccine

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Dolciedolly · 25/02/2021 16:38

Just interested what people think would have been the exit strategy if we didn't get a vaccine ?

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SendMeYourSpuds · 26/02/2021 14:04

If UK population is 67.8 million
122k people died
if 46% of people have had wild covid
46% of 67.8 = 31.2 million (and I don't know any of them)

that would mean a mortality rate of like... 0.38%? Good news of sorts.

Is the FT still saying that the truth covid death toll is 1.5-3x higher than the official number?

SendMeYourSpuds · 26/02/2021 14:05

FT is saying 116,952 excess deaths ,so close to 122k.

Gardenvisits · 26/02/2021 14:35

@the80sweregreat At the time there was no glimpse of a vaccine or enough understanding that one would be effective.
The only way out without amazing track, trace and isolate would be to accept that the nhs couldn’t cope with all the cases and let a lot of people die.

Lweji · 26/02/2021 16:52

Regarding treatments, please keep in mind that there are no effective treatments for viral diseases.
The available treatments can save people from dying and possibly reduce the seriousness, time in hospital, etc, but none cure the disease as such.
In fact, the path to drug development is probably longer and more difficult than for vaccines. The most notable exception will be HIV, because the virus has a very high mutation rate and it is incredibly difficult to design consensus targets for antibodies. And that HIV treatment involves a drug cocktail that took years to develop.

Vaccines are much easier, as it turned out. And as everyone expected, which is why there was a huge drive to produce vaccines, which are now being used. Whereas treatments, much less so, despite media publicised promises.

So, without vaccines, yes, we would have to rely on almost everyone getting infected at some point. Maybe.

We also have to keep in mind that we still do not know how long immunity from having had covid will last. And that in high transmission settings, with a large number of people infected, new variants can (and did) emerge, which can then evade the immune response to previous variants. So, the so called herd immunity might not have worked.

It is very hard to predict how the virus would settle in the population without a vaccine. That is the subject of evolutionary virology and molecular epidemiology, and not sure most virologists are capable of making any reliable predictions.

I'm more with Dr. Ian Malcolm on this one, chaotic systems are rather difficult to predict.

SendMeYourSpuds · 26/02/2021 19:00

HepC is a viral disease. It can mostly be cured nowadays.
There was a list on MN of viral diseases that can be cured. Somewhere in mists of thread archives.

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