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Sridhar: independent sage polarising and dogmatic on reopening schools

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CodFillet4 · 22/02/2021 13:51

Devi Sridhar- one of Nicola Sturgeon's senior covid advisers has accused Deepti Gurdasandi of independent sage of being "incredibly polarised and dogmatic, instead of taking a balanced view" on the question of reopening schools.

In particular she says the risks and harms of DC being out of school need to be balanced rather than just focusing on the danger from covid.

I think this is a really interesting intervention and a lot of the advocates of schools staying closed seemingly indefinitely (including the teaching unions) would do well to take heed.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/scientist-backs-sending-children-back-to-school-8qgtkmpsd

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mumsneedwine · 22/02/2021 13:55

I'll leave this with you. And no one wants them closed (I'm sitting in one now with students so they are not). We want the opened to all - safety. Talk about polarised !

Sridhar: independent sage polarising and dogmatic on reopening schools
noblegiraffe · 22/02/2021 13:57

The teaching unions don’t want them closed. They want them open in a way that means that they will stay open.

Joint union statement:

We are committed to bringing all children and young people back into the classroom as soon as possible. However, it is counterproductive if there is a danger of causing another surge in the virus, and the potential for a further period of lockdown. Wider opening must be safe and sustainable.

We therefore urge the Prime Minister to commit to 8 March only if the scientific evidence is absolutely clear that this is safe, and at that point go no further than a phased return of children and young people with sufficient time to assess the impact before moving to the next phase.

We are increasingly concerned that the government is minded to order a full return of all pupils on Monday 8 March in England.

This would seem a reckless course of action. It could trigger another spike in Covid infections, prolong the disruption of education, and risk throwing away the hard-won progress made in suppressing the virus over the course of the latest lockdown.

The science around the role that schools play in the overall rate of transmission is uncertain. Scientists have expressed different views on this point. What we do know is that the full reopening of schools will bring nearly 10 million pupils and staff into circulation in England – close to one fifth of the population. This is not a small easing of lockdown restrictions. It is a massive step.

These factors necessitate a cautious approach with wider school and college opening phased over a period of time. This is the approach being taken in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. It allows public health experts to assess the impact of the first phase before moving to the next.

None of this is intended to stand in the way of the full reopening of schools and colleges. On the contrary. It is intended as a prudent way forward to ensure that once they are fully open, they stay open.

TaxTheRatFarms · 22/02/2021 14:02

Sorry noble - just to be clear, you’re saying schools should stay closed FOREVER?!?!?

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user1477391263 · 22/02/2021 14:06

What is the union's proposed timetable and required measures for opening?

As someone living in a country where masks and ventilation have been used to keep schools open pretty successfully, I'm sympathetic to the teachers' point of view here (in particular, the lack of masks in UK schools is making my eyes pop out). But I really want to see the union's suggestions for a timetable for return, and some required measures that are actually "doable." Otherwise it all sounds a bit like "We want the schools open, except that actually we want them closed," if you see what I mean.

herecomesthsun · 22/02/2021 14:18

I'll leave this with you. Have a laugh. I think (?) the Vaccines Minister is meaning that if schools were opened after all groups 1-9 had been vaccinated, that would be safe and good, They aren't doing that, and what he is saying doesn't actually make sense, but there you go.

Schools are actually open to a lot of kids right now, and no one wants any of the kids out of school indefinitely, but for the sake of 3 weeks or so of term we would be in a much better place to go back the following month.

twitter.com/i/status/1363752574558621697

peak2021 · 22/02/2021 14:24

Being in school part-time (say two days per week) initially would be a 'balanced view' so that there is more chance of smaller classes, for example.

I think however we have got to the stage that it is now just time to wait about 70 minutes for the announcement.

mumsneedwine · 22/02/2021 14:58

Well as the vaccine minister quite clearly (twice) said schools will go back 3 weeks after over all 50s are vaccinated, think I'll stick with that government announcement. Now just need to invent time travel.

Rosehip10 · 22/02/2021 15:16

The teaching unions and SOME teachers are living in a dreamworld. All pupils in England will be back on 8th March so teachers better get into the real world or resign.

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