No vaccine yet, have to go to work - scared

[RhubarbCrumbling]

Hi
I am group 6 due to 5 separate factors of all are which are group 6 alone. I shielded 2020 until Aug 1st after official letter telling me to. A Gp has manually removed me from shielding which is did not know about so no vaccine for me yet and was not considered in the recent who shall we add to Shielding list due to manual removal.
Receptionist will not let me speak to a Gp, saying no mistake made and to wait my turn. I have a feeling I will be bottom of group 6 jab list now!

I have to go to work on Mon with no PPE, and no vaccination, other colleagues with one condition have had their vaccination due to postcode lottery. I was hoping for a jab before school started on 22nd. I have to be in school every day with teenagers due to nature of my job now I am not on SPL.

Am so scared.
I have been very ill in hospital with in HDU twice and resus once in last few years with normal illnesses that seem to have affected me badly due to my conditions.

Cannot get signed off work as no access to anyone medical as they are too busy to see people due to vaccine roll out. No big hubs here, so done by groups of Gp’s it appears.

Feel sick as 22nd approaches. School just are a business - more people that can be in less money used covering me. And this is without all schools opening up on 8th March.

@RhubarbCrumbling

Thanks *@AnneElliott*, yes we emailed but apparently it could not be seen on the system. So had to email again as they would not allow a conversation with practice manager.

Please be aware, I’m 99% certain that it will be the Practice Manager not allowing calls from patients to be put through, rather than the Receptionist just deciding they weren’t going to bother.

Usually letters and/or emails are the way to go & will get a response although I see you’ve done this with no joy. That is bad practice not to even acknowledge your concerns & provide an explanation.

I would book a GP appt. But for your stress/anxiety making you ill. Don’t mention the vaccine. The Dr will ask you what is causing the anxiety & there you go - you get to talk to her/him about it.

Thanks.

Asked for a Gp apt Thu last week, was told none available until middle of this week. And have emailed ( will put in in a recorded letter as well, good tip so cannot say lost another email!) a polite email also.

I just want to avoid being signed off due to detrimental damage for my students but if I can work from home until this SPL situation is sorted then can still set and mark A level and GCSE work!! If signed off am on sick pay and not allowed to work.

Even more ironic is the fact that I have not had any consultant appointments ( am under 5 NHS ones) as they are working from home due to risk!!

Practices do have to offer a certain amount of same day appointments these days, although these may well be only offered as urgent/emergency appointments.

Just tell the Receptionist it is urgent for today. If pushed for details just say you’re struggling to cope with anxiety. You cannot be refused an emergency/urgent appointment.

Thanks. Will do. At 8am.

Just anxious time in work now.

Another one that says to write to GP. Our GPs are refusing phone calls re Covid and there is no email address!!!!!! Write a letter xxx Let us know how you go x

Thanks @callmeadoctor my whole issue is a Gp has manually removed me from the SPL, meaning I could not be included in the recent reevaluation of SPL. The fact that a Gp is allowed to remove me from a list, meaning I am at risk in work, with no vaccine ( awaiting national role out as will not get one from the Group 6 Gp list) when I have multiple conditions that put me on Group 6, plus Gov said I was shielding means I think a Gp needs to deal with it!!

I need to not look at posts that say I am shielding now due to just GD and got a jab.

Agree dr not deal with covid - but if they decide to remove someone from a list ( if not an error) then they should explain their medical reasoning.

Just got 30 days of school to survive with no covid and no panic attacks TIL Easter. Hopefully when is school my anxiety will lesson so I can eat a hot meal. U TIL then I am enjoying the rapid weight loss but not fatigue and nausea!! Hopefully by then there will a national you can book group 6, as have zero confidence I will get one any other way!!

And I can normally type ok - but am not at my best today!!

Sorry OP - I didn’t read your original post as a complaint. I read it as anxiety about waiting for your Group 6 vaccination which is shared by millions and would be addressed very soon in the coming weeks and thus not worth seeking a GP appointment imho.

It wasn’t obvious to me from the original post that your real issue is to seek the reason why you have been taken off the shielding list.

The new shielding wasn't done by GPs and you don't need to be in the list to be considered his time. Have you looked at Oxford data that the new shielding is based on and seen if your conditions are on there?

As well as some added, many were removed as they've shown they aren't a risk.

Asthma is no longer considered a risk factor, regardless of meds. Mental illness is in group 6,but won't get you a shielding letter.

TIA has never been a shielding condition, I know a few people with history of those. Liver conditions aren't mentioned and it is only a very small number of immune disorders that lead to high risk of infection. Not all immune disorders.

@RhubarbCrumbling

Thanks *@callmeadoctor* my whole issue is a Gp has manually removed me from the SPL, meaning I could not be included in the recent reevaluation of SPL. The fact that a Gp is allowed to remove me from a list, meaning I am at risk in work, with no vaccine ( awaiting national role out as will not get one from the Group 6 Gp list) when I have multiple conditions that put me on Group 6, plus Gov said I was shielding means I think a Gp needs to deal with it!!

I need to not look at posts that say I am shielding now due to just GD and got a jab.

Agree dr not deal with covid - but if they decide to remove someone from a list ( if not an error) then they should explain their medical reasoning.

Just got 30 days of school to survive with no covid and no panic attacks TIL Easter. Hopefully when is school my anxiety will lesson so I can eat a hot meal. U TIL then I am enjoying the rapid weight loss but not fatigue and nausea!! Hopefully by then there will a national you can book group 6, as have zero confidence I will get one any other way!!

I’m confused - has your GP surgery told you that you’re not in group 6?

I thought that when you were talking about being removed from the shielding list that you meant that your GP had moved you out of Group 4?

As I understand it all or most people in Group 6 won’t have been considered enough at risk to have been told to shield.

Thanks sansou Yes I do not know why taken off. Did not know I was taken off in fact until did not get called for group 4 vaccine. I have not gone to any vaccination centre waiting for spares or asked for a quicker vaccine.

I was not able to be considered @MotherForker in recent additions to shielding as Gov info says that if manually removed would not be considered, which is another level of confusion. No I know liver and TIA not group 6, was just explaining my conditions. My immunologist knows what my immune disorder is - it is similar to SCID which is a shielding condition but is rare so not commonly listed anywhere.

@MatildaStoker I was placed in CEV group March/April 2020. All shielding letters, government information. Did not leave my garden until July 2020, as per guidance. Shielded until 1st Aug when it stopped so back to work face to face in a school. Did not know I had been removed from shielding/group4 list until I did not get called for a group 4 vaccine. So yes the receptionist tells me me I am no longer coded as group 4, but I was previously. I do not know if I am in group 6, as not been called for a Group 6 vaccine and cannot book online as I am not a frontline health or social care worker or over the age of 70.

Meanwhile people with previous gestational diabetes are getting shielding letters etc - seems so confusing ( I had insulin in pregnancy due to diabetes and my child was in SCUBU due to low blood sugars etc)

I am confused too.
I have been removed at Gp level from CEV that I was told I was in March 2020. Found this out when not get a Group 4 vaccine. My health has not changed. I was not considered in recent additions to shielding due to this manual removal.

Therefore, have to be in work in school with no vaccine having shielded to save the NHS in 2020.

@MotherForker I am usually in hospital, in my own room, 3 times a year due to my immune condition. Twice in HDU. Had a baby DD delivered at 25 weeks due to my health/infection and who died in NICU as too poorly. So I imagine my immune condition would be group 6, if people on Mumsnet are to be believed are getting Group 6 vaccines for asthma, or gestational diabetes.

It must be very frustrating not being able to speak to a GP about why you’ve been removed from the CEV / group 4 list.

Hopefully the advice from pp about writing to the GP practice, or asking for an appointment about anxiety, will help you get some answers.

Some of the health problems you’ve listed (e.g. TIA, coeliac) have been listed as relevant clinical conditions for group 6, so it may be that your particular GP surgery is just being a bit slower at getting through all their patients who qualify as being in group 6?
Although I appreciate that you’d want to know that for sure after being removed from the shielding list with no explanation.

I’ve a friend who just got a text on Friday about booking in for a COVID vaccine, and her only health issue is coeliac.

[quote RhubarbCrumbling]**@MotherForker I am usually in hospital, in my own room, 3 times a year due to my immune condition. Twice in HDU. Had a baby DD delivered at 25 weeks due to my health/infection and who died in NICU as too poorly. So I imagine my immune condition would be group 6, if people on Mumsnet are to be believed are getting Group 6 vaccines for asthma, or gestational diabetes.[/quote]
So sorry Rhubarb xx

Personally in your situation I would fill in the nhs covid vaccination application and tick the box to say that you have had a letter for being high risk. Go for your vaccination, take all evidence of your illnesses. Whats the worst that could happen? They may refuse or they may not (If its any help when I went they asked for no ID or evidence but I guess everywhere will be different.)

I find it so hard to believe you have been taken off the shielding list and you have been unable to get hold of your GP. Yes GP surgeries are busy but they will still have time for the normal GP work. You cannot be refused a call back by the receptionist. Be insistent you need talk to GP

@RhubarbCrumbling

Maybe I am not at risk. Maybe my conditions are not for SPL - but they were last year, and someone has manually removed me. What do they think has changed about my health? No idea as seen no medical person since early March 2020!!

Big Hug.

At the very least you need reassurance from your Dr that you're not high risk! Your surgery is being awful!

Some people were removed from the shielding list because they discovered during the first wave that those conditions were not actually causing people to have worse outcomes than anyone else.

Having said that, your conditions & complexity of the combination of them does sound worrying.

Can you not rely on your original letter to shield, to continue to shield?

Will your head not listen to common bloody sense?

I'd ask MN to change your thread title to something like 'I need GP
HELP please! Miscoded. What can I do?

Thanks - I will try. I do not know if am miscoded or not.

What I do know is that due to manual removal Ior previous shielding letters I could not be considered in this round or automatic who needs to now shield. The reception/admin person glibly said “oh if you need to shield again you will be added so nothing to do with us.” Worryingly they did not realise that I could not be due to the removal. So now am reliant on a Dr being kind enough to decide if I should be - but my fear is they would not want to admit an error and therefore I may be wrongly coded.

If I disagree with a Gp where do I go? Trying to get hold of two of my consultants but doubt they will have time for me.
Especially as it is Gp who did this.

I now know I cannot trust my own Gp if they refuse to talk to me and explain what has happened. Maybe that’s part of it - way to reduce people seeking Gp help? Rural are so cannot just chance practice. But it has made me so anxious, unhappy, scared.

Sorry if I got thread title wrong.

Is it worth ringing one of your consultants receptionists and asking them to get a note from your consultant to your GP?

I can if they are willing to do it, but tried one last week and they were on annual leave. But I am concerned they will not.

I would like the people who did the Gov decision of who to add to check my medical notes to be fair now - someone I,partial. But a written trail to Go, practice manager, my main two consultants will mean if I do catch covid and end up in hospital due to not being SPL and no vaccine then I guess my DH can complain if anything happens to me.

I guess I hoped for a vaccine before schools opened and corridors were full, if I was removed from group 6.

I wonder why Gp’s are still refusing face to face appointments unless need a physical examination and then a nurse is the likely person to do that. When my youngest child needed to be seen the Gp refused to see my child, a nurse did. Then called a Gp in as out of their remit. I can see A&E being massively busy when parents are vaccinated if primary health care remains woefully inadequate.

One of my consultants is still wfh so cannot see them, as did ask for an appointment.