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"Immunity, like muscles, improves with work not idleness"

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Mummabeary · 20/02/2021 08:12

Really interesting article in the Telegraph today by Professor David Livermore on why its pointless to try to shut our borders to variants and it ends on this point:

^^"There is one final point to make, stemming from the fact that immunity, like muscles, improves with work, not idleness.

As vulnerable groups are vaccinated – and second shots should be accelerated – lockdown should be swiftly released, allowing circulation of virus in the low-risk population.

Those who have been vaccinated will thereby be exposed at a time when their antibody levels are high and best able to fend off weakly-covered variants. The result will be to boost and widen immunity.

The touted alternative of a very cautious re-opening, sounds safer, but it isn’t. It hazards delivering a population with waning immunity as we enter the next winter virus season."

I find this really interesting. I keep thinking we sort of wasted the summer last year - my kids sat at home from May to September with no schooling where it seems very reasonable now to see Covid as a seasonal virus. Whatever Sweden did or didn't do right, the key thing is that they kept their measures constant and cases fell over the summer. Almost everywhere in Europe, cases were low in summer and picked up in winter - I refuse to believe this is down to Government policies all over the continent.

When people say just wait a few more weeks or months and ease out of this slowly, all I can think is every week we waste takes us closer to next autumn again. We wait until after Easter for schools to return then they'll get one term and be back into the September coughs and colds again!

It's interesting the point about immunity needing to work out. I read something that compared how we are dealing with Covid to peanut allergies. Many years ago it was believed the best thing to do with babies who might be susceptible to peanut allergies was to keep them away from peanuts altogether. However, they later found that this hugely increased the chances of them developing peanut allergies. Children who were given small amounts of peanut in their early years were significantly less likely to develop an allergy. Sometimes what seems like the common sense approach to protect from harm, can end up actually causing more harm. And I do wonder this for immune systems with locking ourselves away for months on end, especially for children.

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nordica · 20/02/2021 08:20

Most other experts I've heard talk about opening up are saying the opposite - high levels of the virus circulating in a partially vaccinated population is more likely to lead to new mutations and vaccine escape.

WarriorN · 20/02/2021 08:33

New mutations are thought to come from people who battle it for a long time in hospital. The virus has time to pump out altered copies of itself and so evolve dangerous mutations.

As there are many people who we can't predict will have an issue with Covid, those who don't have flagged prior conditions, it's a risky idea. Anyone might end up in hospital for a long time like that.

Also, long Covid is a big issue.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 20/02/2021 08:35

I don’t believe anything the Telegraph writes. It’s just a mouthpiece for this shit government.

Cattenberg · 20/02/2021 08:43

The Telegraph has spent the past year whinging about lockdown/restrictions. They’re hardly unbiased.

Mummabeary · 20/02/2021 08:55

@Cattenberg

The Telegraph has spent the past year whinging about lockdown/restrictions. They’re hardly unbiased.
True, but then there have been laws passed which mean the Broadcast media aren't allowed to say anything against the public health measures so it's hard to get unbiased views anywhere these days.

And I guess my point is that in the debate about when life should open up, we mustn't give too much weight to the unknowns. Take schools reopening - we 100% KNOW that schools being open is better from educational, social, mental health point of view. Professionals do not disagree on this point. But we are wary of reopening them "too soon" because of the virus and mutants etc. But epidemiologists themselves disagree on what might actually happen given seasonality, vaccinations, variants etc. So we should definitely give more weight to what we know, rather than basing decisions on computer models (which all disagree with each other) and "common sense" which as I illustrated in my above post can be counter intuitive.

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ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 20/02/2021 09:06

‘Immunity improves with work’ Pah!

Sounds like the sort of crap the Telegraph like to spout. They seem so out of touch with the rest of the media/population. Like this little coiterie which write just for them -and their friends. Didn’t they even condone Trump?😂

WarriorN · 20/02/2021 09:06

Ultimately it's about hospital capacity.

That's the main thing they're guaging re reopening.

Delatron · 20/02/2021 09:22

I agree with him but I realise it’s a very unpopular opinion though.

I think schools should have been open from May last year. We missed a good opportunity to get kids back in summer when cases would have been naturally low and they could have done lots of lessons outside. Was such a bad decision to send them back all at once in September.

Constant lockdowns then reopening cause spikes as the virus resurges.

I wonder if this is what we are seeing in France (no lockdown since Nov) cases remain highish but steady.

But I guess it’s all about the NHS coping here and it definitely wouldn’t have if we didn’t lockdown. I just don’t think it’s the effective tool we think long term.

Look at California (constant lockdowns) and Florida (no lockdown since July) their death rate is similar.

I don’t think we have all the information but it’s interesting anyway.

TinkleyZebra · 20/02/2021 11:01

Interesting. I think what this shows is that when people talk about following “the science”, there is no “the science”. There’s just a range of opinions.

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