Not allowed to work unless you have had the vaccine?!

[Sophia777]

Hi, I’m a first time poster and would like peoples views so I can gain an understanding.
Recently, a nursing home chain have stated that no staff member will be able to work if they have not had the vaccine. The reason they say, is because people who have not been vaccinated will put others at risk.
I understand that the vaccine ONLY protects yourself - research shows that after the Pfizer vaccine you can still transmit the virus. Research regarding Oxford says it MAY lessen transmission by 23% - but as we all know, Africa want to send back 1 million doses because it does not work on the South African variant.
So am I missing something here?? Why is it so important for HC workers to be vaccinated if it can still be transmitted? It’s not like you will be passing on a less fatal strain by having the vaccine.
If it stopped transmission it would sort out the whole world, build herd immunity and all the rest. But as it stands we can all still be hosts because we can still transmit.
Can we still transmit when our bodies have produced natural antibodies from contracting COVID-19?
Help me fill in the blanks!

@GeorgieTheGorgeousGoat

Ultimately the more people who are vaccinated, the better protected we will all be. The transmission levels will be at an acceptable level to go our normal life. Those who cannot have the vaccine are therefore protected. We have to stop seeing this as a personal level thing and start acting for the greater good so we can live freely again! It’s how all vaccines work.

Perhaps that would be more likely if the message wasn't "this only protects you and nobody else and even then it doesn't stop you getting it"

The government are selling it as a totally pointless thing. Why would people think any different.

@DinosaurDiana

If they’re insisting all staff have the vaccine then they should insist all patients have the vaccine. That’s excusing those who are medically exempt.

How’s that going to work for an emergency admission, when it takes 2-3 weeks to build up immunity?

Perhaps that would be more likely if the message wasn't "this only protects you and nobody else and even then it doesn't stop you getting it"

The government are selling it as a totally pointless thing. Why would people think any different.

Well you’d think the first bit - “this protects you” - would be enough!

@Dongdingdong

Perhaps that would be more likely if the message wasn't "this only protects you and nobody else and even then it doesn't stop you getting it"

The government are selling it as a totally pointless thing. Why would people think any different.

Well you’d think the first bit - “this protects you” - would be enough!

Well yes, if that was all they said but when they add on "er well except it might not, and you'll still get it and have to isolate and all the shit that comes with that and it doesn't mean you'll be free of restrictions ever"

@PinkTonic

Hi, I’m a first time poster and would like peoples views so I can gain an understanding

I don’t think ‘gaining an understanding’ is your reason for posting for the first time on MN and your thread title is hyperbolic. Your ‘research’ doesn’t seem to be particularly accurate either and your ‘reasoning’ follows the usual pattern adopted by the misinformation campaign.

Definitely!!

@DinosaurDiana

If they’re insisting all staff have the vaccine then they should insist all patients have the vaccine. That’s excusing those who are medically exempt.

For new patients I agree, but not for an elderly patient whose family have said 'no'. It would be horrible, possibly traumatising, for the patient to be moved to another home and an elderly patient in a home isn't going to be the source of Covid.

@GCAcademic

Ah I see a new "vaccines put others at risk" line has been added to the anti-vax playbook

Yep. Another transparent, faux naive “first time poster”.

Smells like it!

What a load of rubbish. I know people who work 50-60 hour weeks who’ve managed to get theirs done!

Are they junior doctors? From what I read some of them get appointments, but they then are unable to attend at the last minute.

"Im not having the vaccine if my electric gets cut off because of Eons incompetence"
"Im not having the vaccine unless they keep the £20 uplift in UC"
These are quotes btw but imagine loads of ppl getting the same idea and doing it en masse.
Works both ways.

Just gonna park these here. I mean is covid super special or do folk want other compulsory jabs. Is covid super special only in 2021-22 or should covid jabs be compulsory forever?

Any thoughts about kids not vaccinated in schools too?

Just gonna park these here. I mean is covid super special or do folk want other compulsory jabs. Is covid super special only in 2021-22 or should covid jabs be compulsory forever?

@lljkk oh good - another moronic comment comparing Covid to the flu

Are the vaccines still not generally advised for pregnant women? If that's the case, employers will need to be careful or they could get sued for indirect discrimination.

comparing to flu vaccination -- compared to vaccination rates .

So say we all accept covid is incredibly important such that compulsory jabs is reasonable... but flu is not mandatory to get jab for... fine. How do you know that's sensible logic? Where is the line drawn between them. Say we get New-germ that is 5x deadlier than flu but 5x less deadly than covid. Which side of the compulsion line would New-germ be on? Compulsory jabs side or bodily autonomy side?