Logic of vaccination proof

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I’m not an anti-Vaxxer I’ve had the jab already. I just want to understand the logic behind possibly having to prove you’ve had the jab.

Just supposing you could go to a concert but only if you could show a QR code on your phone that proved you’d been vaccinated.

Is this because if you’ve not been vaccinated and went in to the concert then you could be infected with covid by someone in there, get seriously ill and need a hospital bed? Because even though everyone in there will have been vaccinated, they can all still get the virus and pass it to others, just hopefully not get ill in enough themselves to require services of NHS for it?

Am I correct that this is the reason for possible
Vaccine passports?

B.

I thought vaccine passports were not happening?

I have no idea if they are or aren’t, but if they are would this be the reasoning?

I hope venues and travel etc do insist on it, it will be a way to do things and ensure people are protected from serious illness and worse. Well as much as they can be. Some things could return then.

Was talked about a huge amount on Radio 5 this morning, private companies requiring such proof before hiring staff.

What happens if someone doesn't get their annual booster; does there need to be an employee record of expiration date? Who wants to put that info into the employee reminders and while we're at it, why not add flu jabs, mammograms & cervical smear tests to the list I mean, it's in the employer's interest not to have staff off sick for these problems. Could check on chickenpox immunity status, too.

Who is held liable if someone's vaccine 'expired', they get covid, then pass it onto a customer who in some way suffers? Is NHS liable because they didn't remind the employee in time that their jab was expiring.

What a paradox if private companies require covid jab proof but NHS doesn't require it nor care homes require it. Would CH agency staff have to provide the proof - and again, would it expire and need annual documents, like providing your in-date MoT & VED documents before you an claim costs to drive anywhere on company expenses.

Or is it all a temporary thing for 2021-23 and then phased out after that? What about letting children into a venue if no jab exists for kids; do people need to carry their vaccine exemption certificates too?

It will be like everything in the UK we will “bravely” start on our own course when most other countries will need proof.

Then a year later we decide we need to do this after all, bring in 48 hour deadline and no system or prove build into and one cock up incoming.

I don’t understand vaccine passports, because some transmission can still occur in fully vaccinated people. Imo it doesn’t really help until the whole population has had the jab.

Do we even know yet for sure that the vaccination definitely doesn’t stop people transmitting the virus to others? Or are we still waiting for the data on this?

Still waiting but the results do look promising. Just said on the radio want healthy young people who are willing have jab then get infected with covid to see what happens. It’s hard as if you are jabbed you can’t tell when you have been exposed so going take while know for sure.

The thing that concerns me is the reported possible potential low take up of the vaccine in the sections of our society who would benefit from it the most. The NHS won’t cope with the sheer volume of numbers who will require hospitalisation. So hard to hear people
say “I’ll take my chances with the virus thanks” not realising or perhaps appreciating what an individual decision means for society.

The public messaging has been dire from the beginning but this is a vital message to get out there - in the face of mutated strains, the more people who refuse the vaccine the longer we will all be locked down

US CDC says that quarantine no longer "required" of vaccinated people who have had exposure to persons with infectious covid. That's the start of a covid jab freedom passport.

Yes in regards to you OP I interpret it as primarily if you are exposed to Covid you will have protection against serious illness at worse.

But also it appears vaccination at the very least reduces transmission so if you are in a sweaty concert, singing enjoying yourself or a cramped aeroplane the risk if you creating a mini outbreak is also reduced.

Just all the bad things reduced all round.

Yes transmission can occur if you've been vaccinated but it hugely reduces the risk. Reducing the risk to that level may be necessary to allow large gatherings to go ahead.