CNN report saying US citizens could be denied a job unless they covid vaccinate

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Teachers, service industries and so on. Not just new employees, but existing ones. Their argument is the company has a duty to protect other employees and customers. Same in schools where children in America cannot enter education without standard vaccinations being completed.

Sounds a good idea to me, but we don't have compulsory vaccination here.

I agree companies have a duty to protect other employees and customers, wonder how well this would go down? Do you think it would ever be the case here?

Some parts of Europe are very anti vaccines so I wonder how it would play out there if it was compulsory?

I have been wondering about those reports of covid outbreaks in care homes where the residents have already been fully vaccinated more than a month previously. Fortunately I don't think there have been fatalities yet.

And then there are the figures on the low vaccine uptake by care workers.

At some point there will have to be a policy/employment change about this and I hope it is sooner rather than later. I would not put an elderly relative or friend in a care setting where staff remained unvaccinated. Even a mild case of covid can be fatal to someone frail.

Yes, it seems a no brainer to me, but I know we don't insist on schoolchildren being vaccinated and even health care workers do not always take up the flu vaccine. I think if we don't (which we won't) we will continue to get outbreaks for years to come.

I know we don't insist on schoolchildren being vaccinated
I think that in some US states children must be vaccinated before starting school unless they can't due to medical reasons.

"I would not put an elderly relative or friend in a care setting where staff remained unvaccinated."

Would you insist that all visitors must be vaccinated, too?
what about the CQC inspectors, volunteer students on placement -- them too?

If residents have a day out with family before going back to the care home -- must everyone they see during the day out also be jabbed?

I went to college in the states and before I could enroll I had to prove I had the mmr and tb vaccine. Along with chicken pox, hep b, one of the meningitis ones and tetanus as well as polio.

The only one I could prove was tetanus. Due to crap paperwork and moving gps a lot.

I had a lot of jabs ina short space of time. I can’t see the problem.

I. Fact I’ve said for years the U.K. should have a policy of no jab (genuine medical exemption excluded) then no state education. I’m on the fence as to whether I’d say no healthcare for something you had every opportunity to be jabbed for if you chose not to.

We pussy foot around too many people in this country

I can't believe people want this here!! I'm immunocompromised & take an amber medication. The vaccine was not tested on immunocompromised people (until now of course) nor were drug interaction studies done. I do not want the vaccine.

Why should I be denied income for that reason? What next - no universal credit without it? Should I starve on the street because I don't want to have an experimental vaccine? Covid can still be caught & spread with the vaccine so what's the point? I do not want an mRNA that has never before been used on humans until now in my body - why the fuck shouldn't that be my choice?

Why should I be denied income for that reason?

I doubt we’re talking about all jobs here. But particular ones where vulnerable people are involved.

How will we get travel insurance to go abroad if not vaccinated?
This is how I think an example of indirect vaccine coercion will work.
Obviously not applicable to many.

@EffIt

I can't believe people want this here!! I'm immunocompromised & take an amber medication. The vaccine was not tested on immunocompromised people (until now of course) nor were drug interaction studies done. I do not want the vaccine.

Why should I be denied income for that reason? What next - no universal credit without it? Should I starve on the street because I don't want to have an experimental vaccine? Covid can still be caught & spread with the vaccine so what's the point? I do not want an mRNA that has never before been used on humans until now in my body - why the fuck shouldn't that be my choice?

Consequences of individual choices, isn't it?

You get Amber meds, I get Red ones (Biologics). I had to agree to BCG vaccination if my blood test didn't show immunity as a prerequisite for getting the prescriptions. And strong antibiotics treatment for six months had I been shown to have latent TB. My choice - do what they said and get the medication that helps my condition or refuse and not have it.

I took a job within the NHS and had to prove I had immunity to TB and Measles before I could start - if I hadn't have been immune to both, I would have been offered vaccination if I wanted the job. Clinical staff are further required to be vaccinated against Hepatitis and other disease, IIRC. Nobody wants vulnerable and immunocompromised people to be exposed to a HCP or other staff member merrily spreading Tuberculosis as they go; in my case, I worked in SCBU/NITU. I think the parents of those desperately ill babies wouldn't have appreciated it if I eventually killed their children by infecting them during the incubation period of Measles.

By your reasoning, why should I be denied the opportunity to work alongside cancer patients if I didn't have immunity and didn't want to be vaccinated?

If I claimed benefits, I would understand that if I wanted the money, I had to do what they said - give a list of the last year's salary, prove my ID, log on regularly, fulfil the job seeking requirements. I didn't have to like it, I just had to do it or not receive any income. My choice - not much of one, but it's still a choice to go along with it and take the money or do without.

Nobody is pinning you down and jabbing a needle in your arse. But, as an immunocompromised person, I would think that not only would you be unhappy at having to die because there were no ITU beds available, whether your condition caused that, Covid, Measles or accident, you'd be unhappy if you caught it from somebody who decided their need to earn money outweighed your safety - so you're unwittingly holding other people to different standards than what you wish for yourself.

Ultimately, it is your choice. But that choice involves accepting the consequences of that choice, whether you like them or not. I doubt that there will be a condition attached to claiming benefits. But for jobs or travel, that's fine in my opinion.

OP could you please link to the article, as this may be causing unnecessary worry for some

All the vaccines that are currently compulsory in some settings are tried and tested vaccines that have been around for a number of years.

Covid vaccines are new. It is very unlikely that emergency approved vaccines could be made compulsory. What would happen if an employee has a serious adverse reaction? Can the employer be sued for making the vaccine a condition of continued employment? How would a prospective employer have access to an applicant's medical records?

What's the point of all this anyway? Vaccine uptake appears to be good in the groups that need it