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Tories Putting Wealth before Health- Independent SAGE

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TreePurple · 12/02/2021 18:39

Dr Zubaida Haque from Independent Sage has been saying today that the government is refusing to expand the list of COVID systems for financial and political reasons.

I.e. that they'd have to pay more people to stay off work isolating and also that lockdown would have to be in place for longer because more cases would be found.

Independent SAGE have of course been arguing that lockdown needs to stay in place until COVID is eliminated.

Is this just more politicking from independent SAGE or a reflection of a far-right Tory government prioritising the economy over lives?

twitter.com/independentsage/status/1360278040853549061

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donewithitalltodayandxmas · 12/02/2021 21:41

Why are they independent? Were they not good enough to get on the actual sage?
No economy, no nhs either or payments, also isn't there a lot of testing going on in placed where you don't need any symptoms?
Its a very fine balance between the two and independant sage don't have to balance books and think about economy

MaxNormal · 12/02/2021 22:24

Matt Hancock clearly isn't planning for zero covid.

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/02/12/matt-hancock-hope-live-covid-like-flu-end-year/

DuchessofHastings1 · 12/02/2021 22:44

How the fuck can Covid be eliminated? It will remain for years and years like the flu. Lets exist like this forever. SAGE, I could slap the lot of them.

MarshaBradyo · 12/02/2021 22:46

@VinylDetective

Independent SAGE have of course been arguing that lockdown needs to stay in place until COVID is eliminated

In which case we’ll be locked down for the rest of our lives. Covid is here to stay, just like flu.

Agree. Do they really think this
IloveJKRowling · 12/02/2021 22:56

They don't think we can eliminate covid, but they think we should get it low enough that an effective test and trace system can stamp out any outbreaks so we can get back to normal, as has been done in many other countries.

So, when there's an outbreak (which there will be) that industry / town / whatever is put into a temporary lockdown until they're really sure they've picked up all associated cases and dealt with it.

That way, like in many other countries, our lives could actually get back to normal.

It does rely on an effective test, trace and isolate system which we don't have and if Dido remains in charge, despite spending billions on it, seem unlikely to ever have.

It seems a lot better as a strategy than lockdown, open up, testing falls over, no proper tracing or isolating, in a few weeks cases out of control, massive death and infection, virtual collapse of NHS, lockdown again. And has been proven to result in less economic damage.

We were at the point we could have done it in the summer (but see above about fuck up of a test and trace system in the UK).

If you watch the Indie Sage meetings (all available on youtube) you can see this from them directly. No-one there has ever said they can eradicate it. But that it can be controlled with all the measures successfully implemented elsewhere. Get cases low, then effective test trace and isolate to deal with outbreaks.

IloveJKRowling · 12/02/2021 22:56

However all this is obviously far too sensible for the UK.

We'd clearly rather self-destruct lurching from lockdown to lockdown.

AmelieTaylor · 12/02/2021 23:02

You can't have wealth(thriving economy) without wealth. We can borrow money, it's not costing us anything - then when numbers are incredibly low we can look at boosting the economy. It's not difficult to comprehend. Really it's not.

PrincessNutNuts · 12/02/2021 23:54

There's a difference between elimination and eradication.

Eradication means gone. It's done. Over. Ended. Globally.

Elimination means zero covid or as close it as you can get in this country and maintain that with whatever measures prove necessary, such as an an annual jab, or testing and isolation of new arrivals for example.,

Tories Putting Wealth before Health- Independent SAGE
Stressedoutsomuch · 13/02/2021 00:00

@Againstmachine

I'm getting sick of hearing from these 'experts' from SAGE and Independent SAGE who keep popping up on news programs, are they getting financial incentives from such news programs as a lot of them can't keep away.
Yes and bad news sells better!
donewithitalltodayandxmas · 13/02/2021 00:04

You can't have wealth(thriving economy) without wealth. We can borrow money, it's not costing us anything - then when numbers are incredibly low we can look at boosting the economy. It's not difficult to comprehend. Really it's not.

Who's lending all this money for free ,can I have some?
You can't just keep borrowing and borrowing and it has to be paid back at sometime , the more you borrow the longer it takes to pay back , I don't think its as simple as just keep borrowing

Againstmachine · 13/02/2021 01:02

Oh yes I agree. Let's stop hearing from experts and have a little more input from ignorant numpties hmm

No let's stop hearing from 'experts' who just want some airtime, independent sage is has a number of members who aren't experts in the issue weeare dealing with.

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