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Yet again the NW is behind the rest of the country

43 replies

RedToothBrush · 12/02/2021 14:44

www.itv.com/news/granada/2021-02-12/hannah-miller-will-the-north-be-in-lockdown-for-longer
Hannah Miller: Will the north be in lockdown for longer?

I've been saying this for some weeks now that parts of the NW are significantly behind other parts in the country and peaked much later than London.

All these calls for ending lockdown asap are worrying in this context. It does not matter the data.

The April lockdown was lifted too early in the NW and there were consequences to this.

I hope to go that the same mistake is not made again.

This seriously needs flagging more as a real issue.

OP posts:
happytoday73 · 12/02/2021 14:47

Most of the north west already has been in 'lockdown' for longer.... Even if we come out at same time...

Lissy23 · 12/02/2021 14:52

Here in Yorkshire we’ve been under some form of restrictions since the last lockdown...except about 3 weeks in June Confused

Lissy23 · 12/02/2021 14:52

I’m not sure we count as the North West though.

DigitalGhost · 12/02/2021 15:02

Yorkshire has been totally screwed the entire time.
We got 3 weeks off in summer when the rules were so ridiculously confusing nobody even bothered seeing anyone in my family.
If they end Lockdown in London before the North I honestly can't see a single person sticking to it.

DigitalGhost · 12/02/2021 15:03

@lissy23 I've just checked apparently we get lumbered in with the north east.
Not sure the government see us as anything other than "the North" though.

Lissy23 · 12/02/2021 15:08

@DigitalGhost I don’t think they will, as they know there will be uproar if they do that.

eastegg · 12/02/2021 16:01

I agree OP. I'm in London and my vulnerable DPs are in the NW. If we open up too soon because it suits London and they get locked down again later I'll go mental. It means I never get to see them. They've seen their only GCs once in 14 months now

moominmomma1234 · 12/02/2021 16:06

Last June Lancashire council didn’t reopen the schools even though the rest of the country bead allowing some years back .the council had received advice that the rates locally were too high .I am wondering if the Same will happen and the council will ovrrride the governments plan to open things together nationally .I don’t know how I feel about it tbh

MoirasRoses · 12/02/2021 16:11

Yorkshire have been in lockdown for all but 3 weeks since March, we couldn’t even meet in parks over summer.

If we come out in tiers, there’ll be riots. It’s killing businesses & mental health. Not that anyone in the south cares. They’d all been enjoying meeting indoors & restaurants until November.

Ever stopped to think why the North continues to have higher cases? It’s poorer. More poverty, far more manual jobs that cannot be done from home. Also higher level of ethnic minority communities as well.

MoirasRoses · 12/02/2021 16:12

Ps. If we have tiers, I won’t be following the rules. I’ve had enough. I will be seeing my family if those in London can.

lunar1 · 12/02/2021 16:12

The government will open the country when London is ready, just like we did last year. Our schools were horrendous last term, our numbers were awful but nothing was done until the south got hit hard again.

Our hospitals were bursting at the seems yet the government didn't care, then all of a sudden the national news was reporting London news while it had pretty much ignored what was going on up here.

In the north people were blamed for our behaviour, when it was the south it was a new variant.

They really don't give a shit about us in the north.

TierFourTears · 12/02/2021 16:19

The NE also has some pockets of really high rates which are only dropping very slowly.
If we are going to scrap tiers and go for a nationwide approach it has to be set to manage rates in the worst affected areas, not to suit London.

RedToothBrush · 12/02/2021 16:33

@moominmomma1234

Last June Lancashire council didn’t reopen the schools even though the rest of the country bead allowing some years back .the council had received advice that the rates locally were too high .I am wondering if the Same will happen and the council will ovrrride the governments plan to open things together nationally .I don’t know how I feel about it tbh
Honestly?

My position is that areas in the north (includes NE, Yorkshire and actually large parts of the Midlands) which are still a few weeks behind the rest of the country shouldn't open schools before 22nd March at the very earliest because of the position the vaccination programme will be at, where the case rate is at and where the hospital occupancy levels will be at.

If they do open on the 8th March I will be very concerned that we are asking for problems and issues further down the line.

If its the 22nd March, it then begs the question would it just be better to bite the bullet and stay closed til after easter. But thats a debate that I'd conceed losing to, if I absoluetely had to.

I think the argument for earlier opening is more compelling elsewhere and the government needs to address whether we are looking at a national or regional return asap because it really does matter. If its a national return, then the situation in the later hit areas needs serious consideration.

After Easter the case rates will be very low and the vaccination programmes well advances which should mean the ongoing issue that the north has had with keeping the R low enough to stop outbreaks is much reduced. This is my prefered option, but I'd take the 22nd March if I absoluetely had to because I do understand people are struggling. The 8th March actively scares me as a reopening date from the data I see locally (and in some other areas though I'm not as familiar with it) and I think its bordering on insanity this close to the over 50s getting vaccinated.

I know a lot of people won't like hearing this because its controversial but I do think those two weeks between the 8th March and 22nd March are particularly crucial to certain areas of the country because of where vaccinations will be at and how it takes 2 or 3 weeks for immunity to kick in.

If we can get to at least the back end of March it will make a huge amount of difference to how quickly and extensively things can open up after that - it will be much easier and less risky to do in these areas.

I do think opening on the 8th risks outbreaks in schools being an ongoing issue in schools which helps no one - particularly the poorest who are most likely to be affected by this pattern.

I really hope that people can see the logic in this and be sympathetic (even if begrudgingly) in hanging on for those two weeks even if its not ideal for either those who want schools to go back now and those who would prefer a post Easter return in these areas.

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Lissy23 · 12/02/2021 16:34

On the other hand, apparently we have vaccinated more people in Yorkshire than areas of the South. No idea whether that’s still the case. But I do know my friend who is early 40s and CEV received a text today that she can have her jab on 18th Feb. So the more we have vaccinated, surely the hospital admissions and deaths will go down, regardless of cases. They won’t get away with keeping the North in a longer lockdown as we had a period of less cases when London was high and even then we were all put into a full lockdown together. Despite having low cases here for the first

Lissy23 · 12/02/2021 16:34

*first time

Pastanred · 12/02/2021 16:37

I think Lancashire council only applied that to certain areas

My kids are at school in Lancashire and went back in June

RedToothBrush · 12/02/2021 16:37

@MoirasRoses

Ps. If we have tiers, I won’t be following the rules. I’ve had enough. I will be seeing my family if those in London can.
The Local Tiers were the seven shades of hell for me. They made a bad situation worse and more stressful with the constant waiting to see what tier each area was and it made no sense what so ever.

I very seriously hope they do not return.

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moominmomma1234 · 12/02/2021 16:54

@Pastanred @RedToothBrush it’s east Lancashire where I live . Maybe it was just that area then where the council kept schools shut.
I think the government will open things nationally but regions/local govt will override it and we will end up with regional variations yet again .
I just want the govt to do the right thing, whatever that is,
I think midlands might be worse than NW this time

Orangeblossom1977 · 12/02/2021 17:30

This was the same in the first lockdown I remember - the rates didn't reduce as much during it and rose more after. Not sure what the solution is really. Going back to the tiers system wouldn't be popular. What if the rates in some areas never manage to drop low enough?
maybe there is some reason behind it which needs tackling other than lockdown...

Lissy23 · 12/02/2021 17:31

@Orangeblossom1977 difference is that this time we have a vaccine and if hospital admissions stay manageable in these areas it shouldn’t be as much of a problem as before.
You can still get covid if you’ve had the vaccine, but we know it reduces the likelihood of ending up in hospital or very ill.

Orangeblossom1977 · 12/02/2021 17:32

www.bbc.co.uk/news/54250626

This seems quite useful for explaining it more

Orangeblossom1977 · 12/02/2021 17:33

Agree hopefully the vaccine with help, as long as uptake is high enough.
Is there a concern about uptake in the NW in vulnerable populations?

Orangeblossom1977 · 12/02/2021 17:40

www.hsj.co.uk/coronavirus/revealed-huge-local-variation-in-covid-vaccination-rates/7029355.article

Saying here lowest vaccination rates in London... big variation across the country. So maybe London is more of a concern...

Lissy23 · 12/02/2021 17:40

@Orangeblossom1977 I believe it’s been a fairly high uptake, I may be wrong though

Lissy23 · 12/02/2021 17:42

@Orangeblossom1977 yes I saw that earlier, London doing not so well on vaccine uptake. I guess it doesn’t necessarily matter so much about cases anymore, it’s the hospitalisation rates and deaths really

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