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Stop it! Please.

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CuriousaboutSamphire · 11/02/2021 13:17

I get it. Really I do. The holiday industry is on its knees: book now to support them; don't book now they aren't currently legal and aren't essential. Choices!

But can we stop bright, shiny people on the news burbling that they've already postponed their summer in the sun twice and it's not fair, they need, they want, they deserve....

It ain't essential. You can choose to book or not to book.

But stop trying to equate it to mental health crisis, losing access to routine medical treatment etc. It just isn't.

And breathe... maybe browse holiday cottages that accept dogs...

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FuzzyPuffling · 11/02/2021 13:18

I hear you. And agree.

AvocadosBeforeMortgages · 11/02/2021 13:21

But can we stop bright, shiny people on the news burbling that they've already postponed their summer in the sun twice and it's not fair, they need, they want, they deserve....

Many (most?) of those people will have booked pre-pandemic. Their money has been tied up in a holiday they're not allowed to take for an indefinite period of time, with the goalposts moving repeatedly. I'd be pissed off too.

We've already lost so much this last year that the additional losses of what little remains - often what was giving people something to look forward to - sting more than they would in normal times. Feeling like you have nothing to look forward to is hardly good for one's mental health.

Lissy23 · 11/02/2021 13:25

Having every single thing you looked forward to taken away is torturous.
Most people were hoping Christmas would be a time where we could get together with friends and family, but of course it wasn’t to be. We’ve been told vaccines are the way out of this, but to act as if we’ll be unable to have a holiday, even domestically come summer is going to push people over the edge. It’s 4-5 months away! People are losing it now and I don’t blame them.

HungryForSnacks · 11/02/2021 13:26

Ok but it's not just people wanting to sip pina coladas on the beach.

We haven't seen family abroad for over a year. My ILs haven't seen their granddaughter since she was 5 days old.

I agree it's not essential but some days it's so upsetting not knowing when the kids will see their grandparents again. I assumed it would be summer 2021 but now I'm not sure which is really tough

the80sweregreat · 11/02/2021 13:27

We took forever to get our holiday money back last spring : it did happen eventually , but it put us off booking anything together for this year.
Trouble is , many people rolled over their trips to this summer in the hope it would take place and I'm sure it'll be difficult for them to get a refund now. Dh has a few trips booked with his hobby and I doubt they will go ahead ( they put it off to this year from last year) and he'll be the same , not sure if they will go ahead or not now.
It's the uncertainty that people are worried about I think. The holiday companies are probably sitting on a lot of cash from people that are hoping they can go away at some stage and getting it back might be hard.

arthurdaly · 11/02/2021 13:30

The trouble is it effects everyone in different ways, personally I don't think we should judge people for having their own problems.
What you might be getting frustrated or annoyed about might be deemed worthless to someone else.
In the words of Elsa....let it go

arthurdaly · 11/02/2021 13:30

I meant shouldn't judge!!

the80sweregreat · 11/02/2021 13:32

Why did Matt Hancock tell the press he has booked up Cornwall? You would think he would have kept quiet if he doesn't want people booking things or hoping to get away on the trips they had booked up last year or whatever.
It has caused a sense of ' if it's ok for him ' attitude. I'm sure that the West Country will be rammed this year as people have second homes there too and surely they won't be policed? Of course the tourist industry are desperate for cash and bookings they have been hit hard by all this. It's a difficult one and holidays are a big chunk of people's incomes too so nobody wants to lose out.

Hitchyhero · 11/02/2021 13:39

Simple clear messaging from the government would be helpful.

❌ January 17: Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab told LBC people should not be booking holidays yet: “I think at the moment it’s too early. Until we’re in a position to give the reassurance, I think it’s very difficult to plan.”

✅ January 18: Health Secretary Matt Hancock completely contradicted Raab at a Downing Street press conference: “I’m going to Cornwall. And I have said before I think we’re going to have a great British summer.” His remarks led to hotels and holiday companies urging people to book for the summer as soon as possible …

❌ January 26: Vaccine Minister Nadhim Zahawi then directly contradicted Hancock, telling Sky News he “absolutely” wouldn’t be booking a summer holiday yet as it was “far too early” to do so.

✅ January 31: Holidaying Hancock doubled down, telling BBC Politics East: “In six months we’ll be in the middle, I hope, of a happy and free Great British summer.”

❌ January 31: The same day, International Trade Secretary Liz Truss shot Hancock down, insisting quarantine measures and restrictions on travel would be in place for the foreseeable future, and that “it would be very dangerous for a government minister to make promises about people’s summer holidays.”

✅ February 1: On a visit to Yorkshire, Boris Johnson was asked whether the U.K. could have a “happy and free summer,” and said “I am optimistic” about the prospect of summer holidays, with the caveat that the vaccination program had to go well.

❌ February 10, 8 a.m.: Transport Secretary Grant Shapps contradicted Hancock on the BBC’s Today program, warning: “People shouldn’t be booking holidays right now, not domestically or internationally.”

🤔 February 10, midday: Asked about the conflicting advice at the daily Lobby briefing, the prime minister’s official spokesperson produced another line, saying the decision on whether to book a holiday was “a choice for individuals.”

❌ February 10, 5 p.m.: In the evening presser, the PM stressed it was illegal to go on holiday either at home or abroad and seemed to strike a more cautious tone: “I am afraid it is just too early for people to be certain about what we’ll be able to do this summer.” The BBC’s Laura Kuenssberg is caught on a hot mic complaining that Johnson “didn’t answer the question.”

✅ February 10, 5 p.m.: At the exact same time as the PM’s presser, Hancock inexplicably once again told Tory MPs on a Zoom call that he’d booked a trip to Cornwall, and shared jokes with Devon MPs who wanted him to holiday in their constituencies, HuffPo’s Arj Singh reports.

Gottaloveacardie · 11/02/2021 13:44

It's not really about holidays per se though it's about having all control and every prospect of something to look forward to taken away. See your family at Christmas. Did we say Christmas? Make it Easter. When we said Easter, we didn't actually mean Easter. Summer holidays? We'll let you know. Meanwhile please continue your joyless, day to day existence until we say you can stop.

Porcupineintherough · 11/02/2021 13:46

YABU. I thought the point of having multiple threads o here is that we could talk about many things at once?

The phrase "I need a holiday" is pretty well established in common parlance. I'm pretty sure most of us know it doesnt convey the same amount of urgency as "I need a new kidney".

Rockbird · 11/02/2021 13:48

I don't know what will happen with travel abroad of course, no one does. But if we can't have UK holidays in the summer then we might as well just chuck it all in. 6-7 months after vaccines started and in a worse situation than last summer without vaccines.? Not going to happen.

the80sweregreat · 11/02/2021 13:49

It's just another example of the mixed messages we have had to put up with! I said on another thread that schools would receive two weeks notice of their full return and was flamed ( rightly it seemed) as this wasn't the message at all , at all just how I heard it on the news.
I think it is bad that the government can't do ' joined up thinking' on their own policies or don't have advisors telling them how not to say things which could cause confusion later on.
Any independent holiday business owner must be putting their head in their hands at all this.
Simple clear messages have been cocked up ( mask wearing, schools back or not now holidays and I'm sure there are other examples too I've missed off)

TheKeatingFive · 11/02/2021 13:51

People are allowed to be upset OP. How much more of their lives will they be required to give up for a disease that is low risk to the majority (and the most vulnerable should be protected from by that stage)?

mildlymiffed · 11/02/2021 13:51

@Hitchyhero brilliant synopsis. And they wonder why we're pissed off with their inability to stick to a clear message.

TheKeatingFive · 11/02/2021 13:52

But if we can't have UK holidays in the summer then we might as well just chuck it all in. 6-7 months after vaccines started and in a worse situation than last summer without vaccines.?

Exactly. Wtf is the point of any of it?

secretllama · 11/02/2021 14:09

@Rockbird

I don't know what will happen with travel abroad of course, no one does. But if we can't have UK holidays in the summer then we might as well just chuck it all in. 6-7 months after vaccines started and in a worse situation than last summer without vaccines.? Not going to happen.
Yep!!
CuriousaboutSamphire · 11/02/2021 14:10

I'm BU but the point of threads is to discuss multiple things... but
only if they agree that holidays are of equal importance?!?!?

Yes! I see the error of my ways now!!!

Back to normal would be going back to work without worrying about travel, hand washing, masks etc.

Back to normal is being able to shop for clothes, stuff at all.

Normal is a cup of coffee with friends.

Normal doesn't start with a beach holiday!

It would definitely include a holiday. But isn't defined by one!

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3asAbird · 11/02/2021 14:16

Theres so much mixed messages and broken promises so many things.
I moved last years cancelled holiday to West Wales to Devon this year as same region as where we live and July I honestly thought would happen self catering lodge as felt we need something look forward to.
We used full payment for Wales as deposit sad not go Tenby but dident want to be at mercy of drakefords decisions.
My family are Welsh so can't even go see them legally right now.
We still chase 600 to pay.
I suspect lots people just moved holidays back a year like we did.
I do think mistakes were made last summer mostly travel abroad.

Now don't know what to think they kept talking about vaccines being way out now they not so sure.
Think be until Sept vaccinate every adult.
But still large proportion population ie children won't be vaccinated.

Fuckadoodledoooo · 11/02/2021 15:12

I'd love to whinge about a holiday being cancelled. Not been on one (even U.K.) since 2012 and doubt we'll afford to again.

LetItGoGo · 11/02/2021 15:15

Stop watching the news!

Radio4Rocks · 11/02/2021 15:19

There are far more important industries to get up and running than holidays and hospitality FFS.

MarylinMonrue · 11/02/2021 15:22

to act as if we’ll be unable to have a holiday, even domestically come summer is going to push people over the edge. It’s 4-5 months away! People are losing it now and I don’t blame them

Totally agree. So many people have lost their livelihoods, their relationships, watched their children's social development and education tank, and been bombarded with mixed messages about how it's really the public's fault throughout. To be told by Mr. 'It'll be over by Christmas' that even with a vaccination program people can't have a break in another half a year's time? No. Enough.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 11/02/2021 15:27

I don't think that's true. Hospitality, holidays etc are vital in many places.. Anything that gets any part of the economy going will have a positive effect on many other sectors.

It isn't the booking or anticipation I take issue with. You do or you don't. I fully expect to have a late summer break, just as we did last year, and many years before that.

It's the equating a beach holiday with health services; treating the temporary loss of a luxury as the same (or worse if some posts on MN are taken at face value) as the more permanent loss of vital services, small businesses etc etc.

I suspect it is the attitude more than the reality that really pisses me off.

And yes, I'll stop watching day time news!

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MaxNormal · 11/02/2021 15:29

CuriousaboutSamphire its not up to you to define normal though, or dictate what things people are missing most.

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