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what is a holiday exactly?

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YogaLite · 10/02/2021 17:44

So not allowed to book a holiday but what about going away to stay with family or friends?? Or even second home (or someone else's second home?)

Is it about travel or meeting people?

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MoirasRoses · 10/02/2021 21:07

I’ve booked two holidays - who says it’s not allowed?! Any reputable company has full refund policies at the mo, so what’s to lose?! All my friends have booked U.K. breaks.. a couple have booked foreign ones just in case.

No point being gloomy. If it’s cancelled then so be it but if not, yey to going to the seaside in a lodge with a hot tub! 😄

MoirasRoses · 10/02/2021 21:12

Also, I like crowds. And I don’t care if people don’t SD to be honest. Outdoor transmission is extremely low. And I’m not particularly concerned about catching covid. I like U.K. holidays, so it’s nice to see a little boom.

Maryann1975 · 10/02/2021 21:12

@ElliFAntspoo

What is wrong with staying put and following the rules? Is it really so hard?
Do you really need to ask? Yes, it’s hard. And if you are having a fantastic time at the moment then you are clearly a much better person than I am. I, and many of my close friends are now at breaking point, having followed the rules religiously since March. If the rules in the summer are that we need to stay at home, that’s what we will do, but it will be shit. We have all booked (independently) UK holidays for this year so we don’t have the disappointment of having to cancel going abroad if that isn’t an option by July. I think everyone I have spoken to recently has the same opinion of the immediate area they live in- they are so fed up of walking the same paths that the thought of a break away From home is far more exciting than it ever has been before.
ElliFAntspoo · 10/02/2021 21:15

@DavidsSchitt

Sounds like you'll be gleeful *@ElliFAntspoo* if we all have to stay at home indefinitely Confused
Nope. I don't have any choice. But, the freer we are this summer, the harsher the lockdowns afterward will be. It will be used as an excuse why the vaccinations haven't had the impact they hoped they would on the spread of the virus, and it will help explain the lockdowns at Christmas. But it is interesting to watch human nature play out in respect to the government narrative, and the pendulum swing from one side to the other, and some people pretend they don't see it and its all come as a shock to them when they are told to follow a new set of rules and a new narrative.
MoirasRoses · 10/02/2021 21:40

Why do you think the vaccines won’t have an impact @ElliFAntspoo ? Do you not believe the scientists & their extremely hard work in creating something to help significantly reduce deaths?

ThursdayLastWeek · 10/02/2021 21:44

@YogaLite

I recall Matt Hancock saying he booked Cornwall... hope he is asked about next time he is doing the briefing..
Perhaps he’s coming in June with the rest of the world leaders, their security, their lackies and the press of many nations.
MoirasRoses · 10/02/2021 21:44

The vaccines may not stop you speading the virus (and that is very much a MAY not, they don’t know because there has not been enough time & actually, the latest data is pretty hopeful).. but they do significantly reduces illness and thus pressure on hospitals. I don’t know why anyone thinks they won’t have an impact by the end of the year.. we should have significantly less death at the very least! The uptake has been really good too. Up into the 90% in the categories vaccinated so far!

ElliFAntspoo · 10/02/2021 22:02

@MoirasRoses

Why do you think the vaccines won’t have an impact *@ElliFAntspoo* ? Do you not believe the scientists & their extremely hard work in creating something to help significantly reduce deaths?
That isn't what I said, is it? What I said was, the excuse will be made that the reason the vaccinations don't have the impact on the spread of the virus that they thought they would will be because of all the people swanning around the country during the summer. It was a long sentence so let me unpack it into smaller bits.... i. The government have already, or are about to, announce a step by step exit plan from Covid restrictions. A roadmap as it were. ii. They are projecting that the vaccinations will reduce the transmissibility of the virus to 0.3ish by September, and if they achieve that we'll end lockdowns etc. iii. So, we go through a staged release of lockdowns, from 4 to 3 to 2 and to 1 walking us from Easter into summer, and freedom. But all dependant on them guessing that their projections are right.

Except their projections have always (every single time - 100% success rate) been over estimates of what they think they can achieve, and then they need to explain why the mistake happened to the 'but you said' brigade.

Now, they could blame the 'I don't want to vaccinate' brigade, or the BAME community, or the SAGE advisers for getting the projections wrong, or they could roll out another 'variant from Timbuktu' or wherever that is 90 time more deadly than any virus ever seen on earth before.

But I an guessing that they will blame their drastic over estimation on the figures on people's social interactions in public during the summer holidays and point out that we, the people, cannot be trusted to walk the streets without infecting eachother.

So not saying that it doesn't work. As soon as I am offered a jab, I sure as hell am gonna take it. Just explaining the difference between real life, government narrative and scientific certainty.

YogaLite · 10/02/2021 22:51

@ThursdayLastWeek, very good point, some of UK leaders could well be tagging their own holidays to the summit.

@ElliFAntspoo, yes, I also think that there is no guarantee that science will work 100%, that's why it's a "wait and see" scenario...

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Madhairday · 10/02/2021 23:17

I don't blame people for booking holidays. We've just booked a caravan site in Devon in August and the owner said it was almost completely booked up. People are booking because they don't want to lose out. Most places are promising full refunds so people don't feel it's much of a risk to take, and it gives a real lift to book a holiday and think about summer days that might just be a bit more free, seeing friends etc.

SpringtimeBluebells · 10/02/2021 23:25

@ElliFAntspoo

What is wrong with staying put and following the rules? Is it really so hard?
Just because you find it easy doing nothing and following the 'rules' doesn't mean everyone does. Obviously, some people are struggling not seeing family etc....maybe they are finding it hard and hope for a holiday is keeping them going....

Is it really so difficult for you to comprehend that 😕

caringcarer · 10/02/2021 23:54

I can't face another year without a holiday. I normally go for 6 weeks in summer. Last year all we got was a few days staying with in-laws in August in Bridlington.

Nat6999 · 11/02/2021 00:11

Touring caravan manufacturers can't keep up with the amount of orders they have for new caravans & retailers were selling both new & second hand ones before they even arrived on the forecourts. Sites are already getting booked up for the summer. Lots of people are spending what they would have spent on holidays abroad on buying a caravan so they can have holidays even with covid.

DavidsSchitt · 11/02/2021 09:04

@ElliFAntspoo

"Nope. I don't have any choice.
But, the freer we are this summer, the harsher the lockdowns afterward will be. It will be used as an excuse why the vaccinations haven't had the impact they hoped they would on the spread of the virus, and it will help explain the lockdowns at Christmas."

You've got that Crystal ball out again I see Hmm

If you're not enjoying it then you won't need the popcorn will you?!

DavidsSchitt · 11/02/2021 09:06

And I disagree...but if what you're hinting at is true then the government are going ahead with their agenda for lockdowns no matter what.

So it doesn't make a blind bit of difference what we do this summer if you're right, does it?!

Abraxan · 11/02/2021 13:33

@ElliFAntspoo

What is wrong with staying put and following the rules? Is it really so hard?
We are talking about the summer - about 5 or 6 months away. I'd really hope that in another 6months time I can travel to,visit my parents and my sister, and to see my young nephew.

I'd like to think that I'm allowed, without breaking guidelines, to be able to visit my 18y who is a student.

We'd like to be able to visit Scotland with my parents to scatter my grandparents' ashes - my nana died in May, my grandad the summer before.

We want DH's families to be able to travel so we can have a 'memorial' type meal in place of the funeral and meal we couldn't have when he died in April.

It isn't just about holidays to the seaside and abroad.
Not everyone's families live in the same town.
We want to be able to see them - in the summer it will be 16-17 months since people could travel freely to stay with others.

AfternoonToffee · 11/02/2021 13:43

@ElliFAntspoo

Most people? Eh? No one I know has even begun to think about holidays! What they meant was, most middle class people of means who can't be bothered following the rules and are desperate for something to grasp onto the give their lives meaning. It's quite a cliquey thing in some circles.
I've booked a holiday, did so last August as I would every year due to the place we like going very quickly.

East Yorkshire Coast. Sorry to disappoint your stereotype. I tend not to discuss it with people, why would I?

JustFrustrated · 11/02/2021 13:50

We've postponed the city break we booked last year (before lock down!) That was due to occur in May. Now we're scared August won't happen. Its horrible.

Also, my sister was due to come for first time in 7 years, and that's been cancelled. But surrreeeeeeeee it's all about middle class cliques.

Some people are so horrible for the sake of it.

ElliFAntspoo · 11/02/2021 16:01

@JustFrustrated

We've postponed the city break we booked last year (before lock down!) That was due to occur in May. Now we're scared August won't happen. Its horrible.

Also, my sister was due to come for first time in 7 years, and that's been cancelled. But surrreeeeeeeee it's all about middle class cliques.

Some people are so horrible for the sake of it.

There's nothing to stop your sister from coming if she's coming from abroad. She can book a fortnight at Heathrow in a Quarantine hotel, and then a local hotel/B&B, and by all accounts outdoor socialising isn't going to be an issue and all the restaurants will be open, so other than restrictions that may still be in place in people's houses, you's will all have a grand old time, and I bet the weather is gonna be as hot as F, judging by the winter we're having. You's 'll love it.
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