Have the stats gone down?

[Pleasebe2022]

I mean for over 80s and nursing home residents who started being vaccinated a month or more ago. Are we seeing a positive impact?

[quote starfish88]People count 1 dose as vaccinated because it offers the majority of the protection at least in the short term. The 2nd dose boosts it and hopefully ensures longer protection.

On 1 dose AZ gives 76% protection and 67% reduction in transmission www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/society/2021/feb/02/single-dose-of-astrazeneca-vaccine-could-cut-transmission-by-67

Pfizer gives 91% protection
amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/03/one-pfizerbiontech-jab-gives-90-immunity-from-covid-after-21-days[/quote]
Only in this country. (In the rest of the works, vaccinated means vaccinated, finished, done, past tense.)

And only people who are wrong.

Words have specific meanings.

And if the vaccination has two doses then you're not vaccinated until you've had both.

The flu jab often has an efficacy of 40-60% does that mean people who have the flu jab each winter are not vaccinated?

@ChocOrange1

The flu jab often has an efficacy of 40-60% does that mean people who have the flu jab each winter are not vaccinated?

Apparently according to the experts on here

Do you think we should let Whitty know?

@inquietant

People count 1 dose as vaccinated

'People' are wrong.

Everything we have seen about the efficacy of the first jab is brilliant.

But we need to recognise the scale of the task and be realistic about the need for jab two.

Absolutely right you do need two jabs for longevity

However I haven't heard anyone on mumsnet or in real life think you only need one. People are just referred to the protection you get after one jab as being vaccinated. Like with baby jabs more than one injection but the first offers then some level of protection.

One dose of Oxford vaccine: - 76% efficacy against symptomatic covid after day 22. - 100% effective at stopping hospitalisations after day 22. Two doses of Oxford vaccine: - 54% reduction in transmission -Antibody response stronger after longer interval between dose.

Brilliant isn't it

I don't know why we waste our time with PrincessNutNuts on every thread.

Inquietant is another one.

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Really recommend ‘more or less’ on radio 4, think it’s Wednesdays at 9am but can catch up on bbc tunes

I caught it accidentally on the way to work and it’s so interesting - they look in detail at stats and figures that have been flung about during the week. Fascinating and worrying how so many of the headline figures are not all they seem. Example that sticks in my mind is test and trace saying their rate of success contacting close contacts had risen hugely but they’ve changed the way they’re measuring it.
Also discussions this week on whether teachers are at higher risk, and numbers in hospital etc.
Really balanced and informative.

@PrincessNutNuts

It's because for some reason some people use the word "vaccinated" to mean "Has had the first dose and will now wait 3 months for the second one"

Vaccinated means vaccinated. We hit 1% today.

The rest of the 10 million have had their first dose. They are not vaccinated yet.

Because when you have a vaccine, you’ve been vaccinated. When you’ve had both doses you’re fully vaccinated.

In the rest of the world they call that first dose and then vaccinated.

Not vaccinated and then fully vaccinated.

The immunity from the vaccine apparently takes 3 weeks to build up. We didn’t have significant numbers of people vaccinated until mid-Jan, so effects on infections would only be properly kicking in now. Case numbers are mostly people who have been infected long enough to show symptoms and then get a test so probably c10 days from infection on average.

@Shehz21

I don't know why we waste our time with PrincessNutNuts on every thread.

Inquietant is another one.

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Maybe it's because on some level you understand that denialism in the form of an addiction to only hearing the good news is a significant factor in why so many of us are dead?

It is good news that nearly 11 million people have had the first part of their vaccination schedule. They have a huge amount of protection from infection and serious disease. They will get the second dose, and then have a bit more.

We will see the impact of those partial vaccinations on deaths and hospitalisations, well before most of those people receive their second dose.

By the way, did you see the report from the Oxford team showing that overall protection is higher with a 12-week interval?

Do you mean this one?

Oxford University conducted the so-called Oxford trial in UK and Brazil, and we have data for patients who received the vaccine in one-month interval, 2 or 3 months interval. First of all, we believe that the efficacy of one dose is sufficient: 100 percent protection against severe disease and hospitalisation, and 71-73 percent of efficacy overall. The second dose is needed for long term protection. But you get a better efficiency if you get the 2nd dose later than earlier.

Exactly @ChocOrange1. Can you comment on this @PrincessNutNuts as your argument seems to revolve more around semantics than clinical relevance. Studies in Israel showed first jab was having significant effect on the stats and early evidence that same is true in the UK.

The clinical picture is that one shot is partially vaccinated, conferring a good level of benefit.

To be fully vaccinated requires two shots, to gain higher levels of protection and expected greater longevity.

We shall, of course, see greater benefit with fuller protection. But that achieved by fast partial (one shot) vaccination is also important.

The change in overall numbers is mainly down to the lockdown. There are some early and promising signs of reduction in the proportion of over 80s

Many of the 510,057 who have received both shots are over 80 (as it was those done only at the very start of the programme, when it was focussed on age, who got both before the policy change)

And something to note on Israel - they started vaccinating after us (19/12) and began second shots on 10/01, so the 2-3 weeks after full vaccination for full protection has kicked in. you need tomcheck dates on data sources quite careful to see ratios of full and partial vaccination against the dates of transmission data