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Will life ever return to normal?

139 replies

lockdownlow · 03/02/2021 14:35

Just coming here because I'm at home alone with my children after yet another morning of stress and exhaustion trying to WFH and help them complete their zillion tasks set by school, and my 8yo just came to me and said "Will my life ever be like it used to be? I miss it"
I painted on a smile and tried to reassure him that of course, it would be but inside I just had an awful sinking feeling.
I've come into my office for a quiet sob.
Will it? Is this his childhood now?

This is all really getting me down Sad

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Kokeshi123 · 04/02/2021 13:34

I hope normal returns. I think there’s been a slightly worrying precedent set of the government being able to control people/ businesses to stop the hospitals being too busy.

I'm also a bit worried about this.

One thing that is preying on my mind is the fact that societies everywhere are aging, especially in Europe and much of Asia (including in many middle income countries that are not particularly wealthy at all).

Aging societies experience growing pressure on healthcare services even at normal times, due to old people needing ever growing amounts of care for longer, and because fewer younger workers means fewer tax payers and fewer nurses and other healthcare workers.

Going forward, any kind of pandemic illness is going to wreak more havoc simply because elderly people are becoming more numerous. Are we going to start seeing more calls for regular lockdowns and school closures in winter due to regular bed pressure caused by aging populations? As mentioned, a precedent may perhaps have been set.

Demographers sometimes talk about something called the "low fertility trap," where the growing number of elderly people in society starts to exert downward pressure on growth and dynamism, which further depresses birth rates among young people, leading to still faster aging of the population and engendering a vicious circle. COVID-19 arguably encapsulates some of this logic-we are already seeing evidence that birthrates over late 2020 - early 2021 are far lower than would have been expected. Doing this kind of thing regularly risks causing a downward spiral. Immigration has also fallen through the floor-many people will have been permanently put off from migrating as a result of this.

I don't know exactly what I am driving at here, but I'm feeling a bit concerned.

StrawberryLipstickStateOfMind · 04/02/2021 13:44

@Kokeshi123 I very much agree with you.

I'm very worried too about the precedents that have been set, in all kinds of ways. The young should not be made to curtail their lives in such a way to protect an ageing population. And I saw someone say, I'm not sure if it was this thread or another, about mask wearing in winter to prevent flu. How far do we go? Distancing from strangers every winter? It's not on to expect people to continue to do these things forevermore. If people want to put pressure anywhere, it should be on the government to invest in healthcare properly, so the NHS isn't on its knees every winter like it is in a normal year anyway. If we want to stop the spread of flu, maybe it would make sense to offer everyone a flu vaccination, rather than expect mask wearing.

Kokeshi123 · 04/02/2021 13:53

If people want to put pressure anywhere, it should be on the government to invest in healthcare properly, so the NHS isn't on its knees every winter like it is in a normal year anyway.

True. But then, if you have fewer young people being born (meaning fewer tax payers and fewer people to work as health care providers in the future), fewer skilled immigrants willing to migrate and take on these roles, and more women dropping permanently out of the workplace and not paying tax either, how are we going to fund all this?

Aging populations = difficult choices.

Kokeshi123 · 04/02/2021 13:55

But yes, flu vaccinations. Maybe we need to have stronger pressure to have them. Few people are worried about getting a flu jab, they just don't bother. How about mobile flu vaccination trucks coming round to people's workplaces? Most people, offered the choice of a jab here and there, would shrug and say "sure."

EmbarrassingAdmissions · 04/02/2021 13:58

I feel for the children.

And (I haven't fully checked) I second anybody who said that it was the previous normal that contributed to this current state of affairs. Pretty much hell mend us for a species incapable of learning from history if we voluntarily look to return to that normal.

StrawberryLipstickStateOfMind · 04/02/2021 14:03

@Kokeshi123 yeah I agree with that too, it's very difficult. And even having an incredibly well funded and well run healthcare system wouldn't have prevented everything we've had to endure over the pandemic, before anyone suggests I'm saying that. I do think it would have made things better than they have been though.

Just on flu vaccinations, if everyone had it would it then be better for the economy, less time taken off sick, and less spread anyway? Even lots of the elderly who are vaccinated end up in hospital with flu, the costs of vaccinating everyone may be worth it. There's probably lots of examples of an initial outlay being worth the cost eventually. Too tired to think very well atm!

Mind you, having so many people living to be extremely elderly is a massive massive problem, economically and socially. I'm witnessing atm an extremely elderly and very unwell grandparent, in constant agony, and the pressure it puts on my dad, the strain it is putting on his own health, and he's only mid 60s. Anyway I don't want to go off topic and hijack the thread. It's just a massive complicated problem that shouldn't be ignored IMO.

Beaniecats · 04/02/2021 14:06

Our civil liberties and freedoms were removed in a blink, hospitality and travel industries wiped out, many facing losses of jobs and homes. Education well.....
But still the message is restrictions next year, etc
We have to stop this now

RosesAndLemonade · 04/02/2021 14:06

Course. At some point . But what is normal. Things always evolve and change.

Shehz21 · 04/02/2021 15:34

@Sirius99

Cornettoninja There’s nothing wrong with hope, it’s unrealistic expectations that hurt people in the long run, I personally imagine that full lockdown will probably go on till April/May, then back in the tier systems untill levels of infection and deaths are back to very low levels, The government won’t want to shut down again, full international travel, next year probably ( unless a vaccine passport )
Full lockdown until May/April while schools open on the 8th of March? And the tier system seems en route to get scrapped as Boris has already hinted he does not want to go back to regional tiers.
Shehz21 · 04/02/2021 15:35

^ here you go

Will life ever return to normal?
Sirius99 · 22/02/2021 15:50

Shehz21, not far away with April/May was I,

Fgs1 · 22/02/2021 15:51

Oh bless him. I hope he has a lovely summer and fingers crossed the vaccine brings some normality back

FaithfullyYours · 22/02/2021 15:58

@Sirius99

Shehz21, not far away with April/May was I,
Not a full lockdown at all Grin And away with the tiers haha!
Calledyoulastnightfromglasgow · 22/02/2021 16:02

I’m in Scotland and terrified by talk of “suppression at all costs” and “zero covid”.

It is horrific what is happening and there is fuck all we can do - except move to england

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