Does anyone know the statistical chance of dying of Covid after Vaccine?

[LaurieFairyCake]

And I mean after vaccine has taken effect

And not because you've caught Covid within a couple of weeks

Is any of this data available?

I would think it’s much too early to know.

Incredibly low. You’d have to check the individual trial data of whichever vaccine you had, but off the top of my head there were no fatalities in the vaccine groups for any of the approved vaccines. And only a very small number of serious cases. But in the real world the efficacy may well be lower than in the trial as there will be people who don’t have an immune system response to the vaccine. But more data is being collected all the time on what’s happening. Israel is furthest ahead in immunisation and producing a load of data but it is all Pfizer I think.

Do you mean dying from the vaccine or from covid?

Vaccine saves lives, doesn't kill people!

Well, I expect (correct me if I am wrong) that vax would have been tested on relatively healthy people.

We also know that vax are less than 100percent effective in that test population.

We also know that not everyone matches that healthy test population in terms of their own health or immunity.

So I would be inclined to lower average effectiveness by maybe about 10-20 percent for general population and some of them might catch covid and if unlucky, it might be fatal.

So the short answer is wait and see how the first most vulnerable vaccinated groups get through the next 2-3 months before anyone would be able to draw conclusions.

@YogaLite

Well, I expect (correct me if I am wrong) that vax would have been tested on relatively healthy people.

We also know that vax are less than 100percent effective in that test population.

We also know that not everyone matches that healthy test population in terms of their own health or immunity.

So I would be inclined to lower average effectiveness by maybe about 10-20 percent for general population and some of them might catch covid and if unlucky, it might be fatal.

So the short answer is wait and see how the first most vulnerable vaccinated groups get through the next 2-3 months before anyone would be able to draw conclusions.

They didn't just test on healthy people at all. They actively sought people with health conditions.

There's an ongoing trial in the community.

I could be way off here, but I thought if the vaccine has an efficiency of, say, 90% that means 90% of people who have that vaccine won't get ill should they catch covid.

The other 10% will have the same odds of getting ill should they catch covid as anyone does now. Is that how it works??

At that point though, the expectation is that hospitals would be less stretched so care and treatment could be more available.

Happy to be corrected as I've wondered this too.

My understanding that the no one vaccinated during the trials became seriously unwell when they later caught covid?
The data gathering will be ongoing.

Oxford University conducted the so-called Oxford trial in UK and Brazil, and we have data for patients who received the vaccine in one-month interval, 2 or 3 months interval. First of all, we believe that the efficacy of one dose is sufficient: 100 percent protection against severe disease and hospitalisation, and 71-73 percent of efficacy overall. The second dose is needed for long term protection. But you get a better efficiency if you get the 2nd dose later than earlier.

That is a statement from AZ CEO. So judging by that your more likely to die putting your trousers on. Which does actually happen

It's really obvious I meant dying of Covid and not the vaccine

I thought that vaccines worked by the antibodies generated in the body from the vaccine fighting off Covid when it meets it - thus reducing the likelihood of serious illness

So you would either be asymptomatic or get it mild - or a very small number would get it seriously

(I want to know this because I'm hoping it's like the flu vaccine I get every year - that I become very unlikely to die - so that eventually I can have normal again)

Thanks for that Truely - I'm trying to find their study online

This is a different kind of vaccine, it targets the proteins the virus is carried on. Rather that giving you a tiny amount of the virus so you can build antibodies.
Israel has vaccinated a huge proportion of their population, preliminary findings are good so far.

In the trials the vaccines were 100% effective against death from Covid19 as nobody who had been vaccinated died from Covid.

In the 'real world', with hundreds of millions of people vaccinated (rather than tens of thousands in the trials) , who knows? Most likely not 100% effective, but still a very, very small percentage (possibly variant dependent too).

There will be more data from Israel soon and from the UK not long after, so should know more then...

99.9% of the population will not die from covid. So if you have the vaccine on top I think the chances of death are probably the same as getting hit by lightening...twice.

@TwistedFairytales

99.9% of the population will not die from covid. So if you have the vaccine on top I think the chances of death are probably the same as getting hit by lightening...twice.

That may be true but some of us are more likely than others to die of covid. If you are in a very vulnerable category it's a genuine question. Many very vulnerable people have barely left the house in ten months so statistically less likely to catch the virus. I volunteered for trials, didn't get picked, but if I had it wouldn't have been a genuine trial as I avoided exposure.

99.9% of the population will not die from covid.

That's not accurate, as in some places up to 0.5% of the entire population (1 in 500 people) has died from Covid.