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Would Macron like some sour grapes to go with his hard cheese?

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HelloThereMeHearties · 30/01/2021 19:48

Honestly, what is Macron up to? He said yesterday that the AZ vaccine (which the EU are so keen to get their hands on) is "quasi effective" on the over-65s, maybe even the over-60s.

A few hours later the EMA approved the AZ jab for all ages, specifically stating that they thought it would be efficacious for older people. "However, protection is expected, given that an immune response is seen in this age group and based on experience with other vaccines; as there is reliable information on safety in this population, EMA’s scientific experts considered that the vaccine can be used in older adults. "

Is he trying to manage- down demand? Or play to the anti-vaxxers in France?

www.politico.eu/article/coronavirus-vaccine-europe-astrazeneca-macron-quasi-ineffective-older-pe/

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BelleHathor · 30/01/2021 19:53

Upcoming elections, I think the polls show he is at 52% vs 48% for le pen. Plus yellow vests etc....

HelloThereMeHearties · 30/01/2021 20:00

Ahhhhh, I see.

And I guess he's also smarting from the lack of progress on the French vaccines front.

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rtgiv · 30/01/2021 20:10

Maybe he wants an excuse to use AZ vaccines on the working population (under 65s) and this narrative might allow him (& Germany) to do this instead of the most vulnerable to get their economies flowing first?

HelloThereMeHearties · 31/01/2021 12:30

It's just so massively, massively irresponsible for a head of state to be marching round casting doubt on an approved vaccine. Can you imagine if Boris Johnson was dissing the Pfizer vac???!!!

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BelleHathor · 31/01/2021 12:42

Boris doesn't even have to do anything to be bashed. We were happily and quietly jabbing away before being dragged into this mess.
Macron should focus on all the protests taking place and the students who can't even afford food right now.

IcedPurple · 31/01/2021 12:54

Pas de problème. He can always rely on the home grown Sanofi vaccine, which should be ready some time in the next century.

Justthebeerlighttoguide · 31/01/2021 13:20

Interesting point about the working population stragety!

Baileysforchristmas · 31/01/2021 13:24

And now Germany and France threatening legal action against AZ, this is getting so messy, on a vaccine they keep saying is in inadequate 🙄

www.theguardian.com/society/2021/jan/31/france-germany-threaten-covid-astrazeneca-vaccine-shortageeu-uk

BelleHathor · 31/01/2021 13:30

I predict this headline from the Guardian tomorrow Due to UK Vaccine Nationalism poor and unwilling France and Germany forced to sue Astra Zeneca 😉😬

CuriousaboutSamphire · 31/01/2021 13:51

There remains a core of illogic in it all, or is that just me?

Nobody can give priority to anyone over the EU after the fact - what will that turn out to mean?

TheGoldenCircle · 31/01/2021 14:19

Macron has always been an arsehole.

CaptainMarvelDanvers · 31/01/2021 14:28

Is it wrong to feel slightly happy that for a long time in a while, most people in the U.K. are agreeing on something (EU are being bobbers). Horrible situation to do so, but after so much division, you have to take joy where you can.

ChardonnaysPetDragon · 31/01/2021 14:31

He's under a lot of pressure.

He's not a good politician anyway and he's cracking under it. He'll be toast at the next elections.

MajesticWhine · 31/01/2021 14:31

France already has a big issue with vaccine refusers. I don't know what he's playing at. It is highly irresponsible.

3asAbird · 31/01/2021 14:40

@CaptainMarvelDanvers

Is it wrong to feel slightly happy that for a long time in a while, most people in the U.K. are agreeing on something (EU are being bobbers). Horrible situation to do so, but after so much division, you have to take joy where you can.
No idea was thinking that too. Its had same effect it Ireland too Its like some strange alternate universe. Can anyone explain why they not taking legal action against phizer for delays. Also moderna is also delayed. Can anyone explain why uk signed phizer and moderna contracts before EU . Yet moderna told uk March at earliest and Europe feb? Moderna have contact sort America 1st then everyone else yet Europe haven't accused USA vaccine nationalism? Why they gave loads Sanofi a French company yet haven't done a deal with valneva also a French company. Wheres the 70 millions euros they gave to German curevac to have not even close to vaccines same as Sanofi. They constantly behind everyone else with their deals. Yet they claim they being treated last. They haven't done a deal with norovax yet either. To me a advance procurement fee to az feels like down or partial payment to AZ. I wonder if they stipulated manufacturing bad take place in EU.
Would Macron like some sour grapes to go with his hard cheese?
MissConductUS · 31/01/2021 14:43

He pressured the EU to invest a lot in the Sanofi vaccine. We know how that worked out.

3asAbird · 31/01/2021 14:50

@MissConductUS

He pressured the EU to invest a lot in the Sanofi vaccine. We know how that worked out.
Yes but what puzzles me is why they not done deal with valneva which is also French and maybe available from Sept but made in Scotland.

When will curevac in Germany deliver vaccines after taking 70 million?

Least moderna putting them 1st well before uk but after usa.

IcedPurple · 31/01/2021 15:11

@ChardonnaysPetDragon

He's under a lot of pressure.

He's not a good politician anyway and he's cracking under it. He'll be toast at the next elections.

Yes. He only got in last time because the other options were so dismal. And even so, a third of the electorate voted for Le Pen.
miimblemomble · 31/01/2021 15:18

Macron's focus is turning, inevitably, to the elections and Le Pen snapping at his heels. Plus increasing civil unrest - and the French aren't backwards about protesting loudly when they are unhappy, which they did in Paris and other cities on Saturday this week. One of Macron's big pre-Covid projects, which he was elected to do, was a reform of the frankly lunatic pension system here. Now, with the impacts on the economy that have come from the pandemic, there is even less appetite from the public to see this be pushed through.

Surveys here are showing that 40% or fewer French people are willing to go along with a 3rd lockdown, so the government's bag of tricks to deal with the pandemic is starting to look really empty. ATM cases aren't rising but they are still much higher than we were told was the acceptable level (20,000 a week rather than 5,000).

It feels like walking a tighrope atm. The variant anglais has not kicked off here - yet - so our numbers are steady, but high.On the one hand life feels quite normal: schools are open with very few absences, families are still mixing at home for meals, childcare, whatever (government cannot legally stop that here), shops are mostly open, many people are back to work (WFH was never popular here) there are no internal travel restrictions. But OTOH we can't travel outside France, the ski resorts are shut (and this is massive here with the winter holidays starting next week), all bars, restos etc have been shut for months, students at Uni are only just starting to get some real-life teaching, there's no clarity on exams for highs school students, and the financial / social pain is starting to hit.

Marine Le Pen has no answers (though she'd like to blame the EU, immigrants, France for the French etc). But people are so pissed off - and the government has to be the bad guys over and over again to try and deal with the pandemic. This isn't going to get them elected. And the vaccine thing I think reveals how desperate they are feeling.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 31/01/2021 15:48

Variant Anglaise 😊

Hopefully it won't become prevalent.

Tis all.a.bloody shambles!

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