AZ - EU contract published

[Davros]

Breaking news on BBC

So in summary, the French failed, Germany are demanding stuff they’re not entitled to and everyone’s looking at the U.K. to provide assets to save the day!

@Ihatefish

So in summary, the French failed, Germany are demanding stuff they’re not entitled to and everyone’s looking at the U.K. to provide assets to save the day!

From what I understand it would appear in a very simplistic way that this is correct.

But with an added bit that it seems because they need the UK they are also having a strop about it.

BBC news reporting EU will impose export barriers.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55860540

This is not a legal dispute. The lawyers can argue the exactly wording of the contract all they like but it's irrelevant, because that's not what this contract dispute is about. It's a legal veneer to a political power play.

mumwon

Saw comments earlier stating that if EU sought to regulate export in the way they are proposing their EU manufacture sites could very quickly find themselves very short of inputs.

Neither Pfizer nor AstraZeneca are using the EU as primary manufacturing facilities. I am not aware of the EU having a monopoly on any of the inputs?

French are heavily anti-vaxxers and Macron has been criticised for not getting behind any vaccine because he is pandering to the electorate etc.

He has now come out and said publicly same as German that there are doubts over AZ vaccine (see attached) in a pandemic to be giving out misinformation about a vaccine that is at cost and heading out to the poorest countries in the world who maybe suspicious of vaccines, it is wholly irresponsible from a supposed world leader of a leading nation...

www.politico.eu/article/coronavirus-vaccine-europe-astrazeneca-macron-quasi-ineffective-older-pe/

may be

Okay well its official. After starting out wholeheartedly remain, then hovering on the boundary for two years or so, I am now a Leaver.

Me too was only ever a remainer & was hoping we would rejoin but fuck that.

Well seeing as leave is already afait accomplit, sp, that's probably better for your mh crotch!!

EU introduces controls exports of covid vaccines BBC

Yup. Me three.

I'm sorry, leave voting friends: you were right, I was wrong.

The eu will blame this on not being integrated enough and will say they need closer union to combat issues like this in future.

Whilst this is not an argument that should ever happen and does not paint the EU in a good light, what are the practical implications assuming the Novavax vaccine gets MHRA approval? It seems that the impact of any reduction from AstraZenica would be no more than a few days delay on average to everyone getting the vaccine. Not that this is good as every day sooner benefits.

@Justthebeerlighttoguide

Well seeing as leave is already afait accomplit, sp, that's probably better for your mh crotch!!

Had to read that 3 times as my head wanted to say MH of your crotch 🙈🤣

But I'm the same as those posters. Was firmly remain. Had leaver friends convince me of some good points and was buying into the whole EU control thing.

When we can get out and discuss crap at the pub again I'm going to have to fully admit - it's seems I was wrong

[quote Floppywin]French are heavily anti-vaxxers and Macron has been criticised for not getting behind any vaccine because he is pandering to the electorate etc.

He has now come out and said publicly same as German that there are doubts over AZ vaccine (see attached) in a pandemic to be giving out misinformation about a vaccine that is at cost and heading out to the poorest countries in the world who maybe suspicious of vaccines, it is wholly irresponsible from a supposed world leader of a leading nation...

www.politico.eu/article/coronavirus-vaccine-europe-astrazeneca-macron-quasi-ineffective-older-pe/[/quote]
Totally. What qualifies him to offer opinions on immunology?

He should be more worried about the lacklustre Sanofi vaccine he insisted the EU buy stocks of, as well as the very large amount of vaccin hesitancy in France.

@Floppywin did they say they are only checking what leaves to go to the uk or everywhere ?

@mumwon

EU introduces controls exports of covid vaccines BBC

This actually makes me want to cry, both out of frustration and anger.

I am glad we left the EU, they are showing their true colours right now.

How dare they think they can jump the queue and take vaccines from the UK! Even an idiot can see the contract stated "best efforts" so it was never guaranteed they would get the full order. As for they don't believe in "first come first served" - if it was the other way around I bet they would.....

Fuck you EU!

This thread is fascinating - I'm currently about half way through. Really informative points from lots of people.

One point I haven't seen made yet (apologies if it's in the 4 pages I haven't got to yet) is that I don't think this is actually about who'd win in a court battle over the precise wording of the contract, or even about trying to claw back 4 million doses from UK factories.

I think the main audience the Commission has in mind is the home market - the 27 EU member states. What they're hoping is they can throw a tremendous paddy painting Astra Zeneca (let's remember, developing and selling the vaccine at cost price as a humanitarian gesture) as the "evil big pharma villains of the piece", with a side order of kicking post-Brexit UK as the greedy bastards who've "stolen 4 million of our doses while we were making sure everything was safe and above board..."

The point of doing this, as I say, is for the home market, to distract from the monumental cock-ups the Commission has made (not ordering enough vaccines, putting too much hope in Sanofi, not getting a wide enough basket of potential pharamaceutical firms on board, dragging heels over the approval process).

I would say, from the coverage I've seen in the EU press (especially the German tabloid "AZ only 8% effective in over 65s" false headlines followed up by the German government decision not to use AZ for over 65s) from a political perspective this strategy is working. It's taking the heat off the Commission - and that's the actual point of the exercise.

Yes it's PR, they aren't highlighted the fact they were slow.

This is not a legal dispute. The lawyers can argue the exactly wording of the contract all they like but it's irrelevant, because that's not what this contract dispute is about. It's a legal veneer to a political power play.

I partly agree with this. But, the EU can’t actually pull any levers without putting laws in place. Police are not going to turn up to Pfizer and Barr the way of UK-bound lorries without a law saying they should.

@Motorina

BBC news reporting EU will impose export barriers.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55860540

This is not a legal dispute. The lawyers can argue the exactly wording of the contract all they like but it's irrelevant, because that's not what this contract dispute is about. It's a legal veneer to a political power play.

This is worrying - does anyone have any idea what kind of issues this will now cause?

What is really pissing me off is the language they are using.

"Solidarity is an important principle of the EU. With Brexit, it's clear that the UK doesn't want to show solidarity with anyone."

I'm not a fan of our gov but think staying quiet is the best approach.

Well they were very pointedly avoiding the word "UK" then the final question from the French press - cut to the chase and asked: is it about the UK? and the answer is basically "yes" not others.

So they came out and said it after others pussyfooting around and not asking the direct question -saying lots of other countries won't be affected.

That's dandy and everything - but do they really think any other country or company will trust them in future? They have exposed themselves so clearly they are naked.

We say on relationships board when someone shows you who the really are - accept it for what it is and react accordingly = get the hell out.

Well the EU are that abusive, controlling partner and any sane company will be thinking can I trust this political fantasy ideal of "one nation, ever closer union" - bit like waking up and realising you're dating a bible basher whose mind isn't rational after all and is fixated in a slightly different reality (fantasy).