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itsgettingweird · 29/01/2021 14:26

@Hazelnutlatteplease

But it does only say best effort. EU really are bullies

Thankyou. I said on another thread I thought I'd heard this.

It's reassuring to hear I didn't actually make it up

EasterIssland · 29/01/2021 14:30

Australia is talking with WHO and EU because of the side effects this all would have on them if they blocked the pfizer and any other vaccines to non eu countries
www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/jan/29/australia-in-talks-with-who-and-europe-over-certainty-of-covid-vaccine-supplies

ImsorryWilson · 29/01/2021 14:40

I haven't read it because I see it's under Belgian law.

so ignore all the English lawyers (and, ahem, students).

Has a Belgian law bod popped up yet?

Is the jurisdictino Belgium too?

DamnUserName21 · 29/01/2021 14:47

[quote EasterIssland]Australia is talking with WHO and EU because of the side effects this all would have on them if they blocked the pfizer and any other vaccines to non eu countries
www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/jan/29/australia-in-talks-with-who-and-europe-over-certainty-of-covid-vaccine-supplies[/quote]
Companies will move a lot of vaccine production out of the EU if it goes ahead with a ban on exports.
Canada also gets vaccines from Europe.

Floppywin · 29/01/2021 14:47

the contract will have definition of terms at the beginning which will explain exactly what the contact means by "efforts" etc so it won't be open to interpretations beyond that (speculation as to what it means, but the terms will be defined clearly).

If EU wished it to be more precise then they would have had to be more specific with what the defined term means and would be written in the contract. It is quite a loose defined term - the EU's lawyers don't have a leg to stand on.

PicsInRed · 29/01/2021 14:48

Not to put too fine a point on it but we made a vaccine for the world, the EU is now threatening to block it to the world. They're shameless.

Justthebeerlighttoguide · 29/01/2021 14:53

Pics they are just absolutely desperate and how any of this has even made the media is beyond me! Its not up to random EU people to start plucking out clauses, it should have all gone through solicitors from the beginning!

DamnUserName21 · 29/01/2021 14:54

@HeyHeyImABeLeaver

Unfortunately, the AZ contract is governed by Belgium law, and goodness knows what Belgium law says about how this should be interpreted!

Shout out to any Belgian lawyers who may be lurking (just on the off chance)

Where's a Belgian contract lawyer when you need one?! (Besides, Belgium, that is!!)

Sunshinegirl82 · 29/01/2021 14:54

@ItsA1WayStreet

I think where things are tricky is the use of the definition "best reasonable effort". Is this a legally defined, well used term in business contracts? If not, who is to say what is "reasonable"?

Best Reasonable Efforts has capital letters which means it is a defined term. There is a definition of what it means earlier on in the document.

Ohthatsgreat · 29/01/2021 14:54

Apparently the EU has to take down the contract and reload it. Why?
The original upload had the redacted text visible in Adobe reader bookmark section in plain text. Expecting screenshots of those redacted bits to start floating around at some point.

Wildswim · 29/01/2021 14:55

EU's behaviour has been despicable and what's worse is that nobody at the EU commission will ever be held to account for this.

Huge, inefficient bureaucracy which is staffed by unelected and unaccountable eurocrats. Yet when this was pointed out to Remainers we we scoffed at and called bigots and idiots.

Boulshired · 29/01/2021 14:55

According to that article Pfizer told the senate it will consider moving production back to the US. Probably an idle threat but can the EU take this risk.

IcedPurple · 29/01/2021 14:57

@ImsorryWilson

I haven't read it because I see it's under Belgian law.

so ignore all the English lawyers (and, ahem, students).

Has a Belgian law bod popped up yet?

Is the jurisdictino Belgium too?

Interesting that, unless what we're seeing is a translation, the contract is in English. I don't think a contract written in French or Dutch would have any status in English law. And even if a contract is written in multiple languages, as I understand it usually only one has actual legal status in the event of a dispute.

Dongdingdong · 29/01/2021 14:57

According to that article Pfizer told the senate it will consider moving production back to the US.

And who could blame them.

CrotchBurn · 29/01/2021 14:57

I could be wrong but I thought member states could only procure side orders with firms who the EU Commission hasn’t got a contract with. So EU does not have agreement with the Sputnik vax so Hungary is free to organise their own. But as EU has agreement with AZ member states cannot organise their own orders. Someone else might be able to confirm if this is right or not.

In that case Ireland should move fast as lightning and sign a contract with Novavax

Viviennemary · 29/01/2021 14:57

It just shows the EU up for what it is.

MarshaBradyo · 29/01/2021 14:57

@Boulshired

According to that article Pfizer told the senate it will consider moving production back to the US. Probably an idle threat but can the EU take this risk.

If they need authorisation to deliver, I don’t blame them.

IcedPurple · 29/01/2021 14:57

@Ohthatsgreat

Apparently the EU has to take down the contract and reload it. Why? The original upload had the redacted text visible in Adobe reader bookmark section in plain text. Expecting screenshots of those redacted bits to start floating around at some point.

It's starting to get farcical. Would be comical if it weren't so very serious.

Justthebeerlighttoguide · 29/01/2021 14:57

which is staffed by unelected and unaccountable eurocrats.

^^ Yes but everyone in the EU can vote out their MEP.

ScribblingPixie · 29/01/2021 14:58

@Ohthatsgreat

Apparently the EU has to take down the contract and reload it. Why? The original upload had the redacted text visible in Adobe reader bookmark section in plain text. Expecting screenshots of those redacted bits to start floating around at some point.

I just saw one on Twitter.

CrotchBurn · 29/01/2021 14:58

Interesting that, unless what we're seeing is a translation, the contract is in English. I don't think a contract written in French or Dutch would have any status in English law. And even if a contract is written in multiple languages, as I understand it usually only one has actual legal status in the event of a dispute.

In the event of a dispute, the original text that was used as a source document for the various translations prevails.

BolloxtoGender · 29/01/2021 14:58

It was always like an abusive relationship.

IcedPurple · 29/01/2021 14:59

@CrotchBurn

Interesting that, unless what we're seeing is a translation, the contract is in English. I don't think a contract written in French or Dutch would have any status in English law. And even if a contract is written in multiple languages, as I understand it usually only one has actual legal status in the event of a dispute.

In the event of a dispute, the original text that was used as a source document for the various translations prevails.

I'm assuming that was in English, which is interesting. Is it usual for a document to have legal status if it is written in a language which is not an official language in the relevant country?

CrotchBurn · 29/01/2021 14:59

Considering the contract was with a UK/Swedish company and the entire EU, I wuld assume the original contract is in English.

prh47bridge · 29/01/2021 15:02

@Ohthatsgreat

Apparently the EU has to take down the contract and reload it. Why? The original upload had the redacted text visible in Adobe reader bookmark section in plain text. Expecting screenshots of those redacted bits to start floating around at some point.

It isn't all the redacted text but yes, I can confirm that substantial chunks of it are visible in Adobe Reader.