Which year groups back first?

[dippyegg32]

I'm guessing not too dissimilar to last time so secondary exam years, reception and year 1? With other year groups following within a fortnight so everyone gets at least two weeks before Easter.

And you know quite well that 'packed solid' just means very busy.
It was busy enough for me to be surprised.
Not a single piece of equipment wasn't being used from what I could see with many more children in the area too.

It's a figure of speech and I just meant that for many children they are not missing out on some socialisation.

As for rota at school - well surely SOME social contact and some face to face is far better than none.

Not this again 🙄 Jesus some really are chomping at the bit for someone else to look after their kids.

Playgrounds are busier but not a decent substitute for in school learning and play.

It’s not comparable

@Thewiseoneincognito

Not this again 🙄 Jesus some really are chomping at the bit for someone else to look after their kids.

Oh this old chestnut 🙄

Got through a lot of posts before the same old rubbish got posted

And believe me, as someone who teaches in early years and infants I very much know that a playground isn't a substitute for school.

However, I was simply address the 'social contact' comments that have been out about. Not the rest of it - that wasn't what had been mentioned at that time.

Unfortunately right now we are in a pandemic. Like countries around the world our schools are affected. Opening up to all, with little protective measures in place, in September didn't work in a great number of schools. Therefore we ought to be looking at ways we can open up gradually and more safely, to protect children staff and the school families.

I don't know why some people, including out government at times, won't even consider alternatives and look at something other than open for all full time. It just doesn't make sense.

@MarshaBradyo

Playgrounds are busier but not a decent substitute for in school learning and play.

It’s not comparable

Nobody, including myself, ever said they were. It was simply to address the 'social contact' aspect of some children not seeing other children for weeks a time.

Jesus some really are chomping at the bit for someone else to look after educate their kids.

Fixed that for you.

IM in Scotland our clinical director of the Scottish government, Jason Leitch, said that their priority is early years, p1-P3 and exam years so S4-S6.

For me this makes sense, the lower end of the scale and the ones finishing their schooling, I do hope they include P7 as they are transitioning to high school this year.

I presume England Will follow the same plan.

Abraxan ok thanks for saying that. Yes dd sees other dc at the park but even when it's busy she’s just going up and down slides etc not really interacting. Which is really different to EY. So it might look like a busy playground is socialisation but it’s just dc doing their own things.

On why can’t they do more I think the issue is

• for rota in primary you’d have to get rid of KW provision (in our school we are already drastically reduced, we are a smaller school). Or if a school did have space for some you’d have to end most.
• priority years you’d not be able to take teaching resource away from remote students. So you could get a class in but not split it up

Out of above giving notice to KW is probably easiest, to go part time.

Before people say above is defending. I would benefit from no KW / reduced here, we’d get school time. But I’m not sure support is there to end KW provision.

@dippyegg32

I'm guessing not too dissimilar to last time so secondary exam years, reception and year 1? With other year groups following within a fortnight so everyone gets at least two weeks before Easter.

Secondary exam years didn't go back in most schools. For ds it involved one face to face 1 2 1 with his tutor.

Y11-13 should go back first for secondary and I suspect it would be YR, 1 and 6 again for primary.

Agree of all the years, Y12 are probably in the worst situation.

I think we'd have to have a huge clamp down on KW provision, making eligibility much stricter. It would need to be looking at those who cannot work from home, and only if both parents were key workers as a minimum. Difficult I agree, but in many cases could be considered. Not saying it would be easy though.
Vulnerable children would still get regular contact through part time roar so those numbers would be easier to reduce.

We need to look at other countries and how they deal with Key worker provision too - iirr not all countries offer it, so what happens there.

ThewiseoneincognitoNot this again 🙄 Jesus some really are chomping at the bit for someone else to look after their kids

@Thewiseoneincognito

Not this again 🙄 Jesus some really are chomping at the bit for someone else to look after their kids.

No, I'd quite like my son to complete his education and get decent A level results.

Schools EDUCATE our kids, they are not childcare. Teachers are professionals and paid to educate for a reason. I do get fed up with the constant sanctimonious comments about parents wanting to get rid of their children. Even the ones who are teachers aren't experts in every subject.

I think some countries don’t offer any KW at all. And it’s much easier to do half in at a time once that happens.

I don’t know what they do though, maybe get cc

But hey, my son finishes this year. I don't care if you close all the schools, make all teaching staff redundant and turn all the schools into housing estates. Wont' affect me and mine.

Is that really what you want by saying everyone should home educate?

@MarshaBradyo

I think some countries don’t offer any KW at all. And it’s much easier to do half in at a time once that happens.

I don’t know what they do though, maybe get cc

I don't think Ireland does, for example.

We couldn't invite our year 1s in last time as we are infants only. Rules were in place re class sizes so with key worker and vulnerable children we tried to get reception in. But even this was problematic and didn't work.

So reception and year 1 doesn't work for infant schools. Ideally it's why you need to consider one year per key stage (and reception being part of key stage 1 for that purpose unless a school has a mixed reception nursery set up)

But then you have the issue with middle schools and prep school settings which have different year groups in school.

Hence why part time rota would be better in many ways, but of course has its own drawbacks.

If you’re a KW would you prefer part time and half in

Or ft and all in

I don’t think there’s any other way to do it

I’m a KW with two children at home. My y11 is likely to go back. My younger child has a place she’s not using.

She will be using it if her year are not back. I know of two others in the same position. They happen to be her best mates, so the three of them are happy with this.

@MarshaBradyo

If you’re a KW would you prefer part time and half in

Or ft and all in

I don’t think there’s any other way to do it

As a two teacher household I would rather full-time and all in or we just couldn't go to work. No family nearby for childcare, nonlocal childminders with spaces. I can't afford to suddenly fork out for a nanny. DH and I would reduce our hours but that would leave out schools in the lurch with nobody to teach our classes.

Maybe there has to be a priority list of key workers for such a scenario. The number of key worker children would probably be reduced if it was limited to two WOTH key worker parents, or lone WOTH key worker parent. I don't know if people would agree teachers' DC should be prioritised but presumably most parents would rather the teacher was actually available to teach their kids.