15 out of 20 children in ds class

[eeliie]

It's a reception class. So there are just 5 children who cannot attend. Is it this bad in your child's school?

It is up to each school to decide what vulnerable is and what their incapacity is. It is up to Governors to question who is in school and why, what is being provided 're food, what online provision is in place and why, what safeguarding provision is in place, what issues are they facing, how are staff feeling and managing and what engagement school is having with parent etc.

@SeahorseoramI except the definition of vulnerable is very, very wide. I could bring my own children within it (four at home, insufficient devices, lack of space as two parents are both working), but don't.

Concern for vulnerable children on the wane again now they are perceived as getting something others aren't.

The vast majority of children are vulnerable by the governments very broad definition. Mine are struggling horribly. They can't all be in school.

We don't have live lessons but a friend whose child does says that the kids in school attend the live lessons (from the classroom) so it's easy enough to see how many are in school.

[quote SpencerGregson]@SeahorseoramI except the definition of vulnerable is very, very wide. I could bring my own children within it (four at home, insufficient devices, lack of space as two parents are both working), but don't.[/quote]
It literally took less than a minute for me to find out the previous posters who are being questioned for being sahm with children attending school, actually have children who are suffering severely with asd, and violent with it.

@Sockwomble

Concern for vulnerable children on the wane again now they are perceived as getting something others aren't.

Quite.

@sockwomble I don't think anyone would deny children of KW or those who are genuinely vulnerable, but many people are openly lying and getting places. There is no doubt in my mind at all that they are at a distinct advantage (emotionally.and academically) over those stuck at home with working parents. It's the inequality that frustrates people and needs to be challenged.

Under some of the definitions of vulnerable (not engaging in home learning, having meltdowns etc) on this thread most children quality to attend school. If that’s the case then schools should be reopened to all which makes a mockery of why they were closed in the first place. Anyway, it is what it is, but parents won’t keep trying to do the right thing for much longer if so many aren’t bothering.

If one school has staff and space they may take more vulnerable children.
Another may simply be unable to take any.
We are full and even if the situation changes for the worst at home we can not help. Another school night have wriggle room.

My ds does not have an advantage over NT children because of being in school. There is also the risk of him bringing covid into our household. I'd rather he didn't need to go.

"Under some of the definitions of vulnerable (not engaging in home learning, having meltdowns etc) on this thread most children quality to attend school."

You do know that a meltdown doesn't mean a tantrum?

It's a disgrace that people are taking advantage. It seems anyone can be a 'critial worker' and it's a joke that only one parent has to be. So unfair on the fsmilies doing the right thing.

@Mumwalk were you just as frustrated by the inequality of SEND provisions prior to this? Did you the fight the corner of @itsgettingweird's son and all the other kids in his position? Did you argue for equality of technology access for those that did schoolwork on a mobile phone late at night as that was their only option?

I don't think it's a disgrace, RC000, it's human nature to think of themselves. If they can, why not, because even if you won't, someone else will. At east they are allowed, which means they are not breaking any rules. That's the way I think, and ultimately, it's not their fault that they have such a loose rules.

I feel lucky that my Dd year 9 is able to stay at home and get on with it, not every child can do that the bitterness is getting out of control

Sorry wrong thread

@SeahorseoramI

None of my posts have questioned any of those posters. I am answering the OP's question. As a parent with a child on their school's SEN register, I quite understand how difficult it is for many.

There is no doubt in my mind at all that they are at a distinct advantage (emotionally.and academically) over those stuck at home with working parents.

Or it’s just evening up the playing field a bit. Children without SEND are advantaged in just about every way, support for additional needs is appalling and parents spend huge amounts of time just trying to access the most basic education for their children and no one complains about unfairness or advantage. SEND children are marginalised, excluded and demonised all the time and no one complains.

If being in school gives my child a bit of support to keep up with her peers I’m absolutely ok with that given how stacked the deck is against her at every turn. If folk really begrudge a vulnerable child the smallest amount of support that says everything about them. I’m sure the world will soon be put “right” again with our kids at the bottom of the pile - just where they should be

@yeiteri I think if you reread my comment you will see that I do not have a problem with genuinely vulnerable children attending school. However, I have friends who have openly admitted that they have lied to get places. I can't see how anyone would think that was anything other than disgusting behaviour and does nothing to support key workers or genuinely vulnerable families.

@Jellycatspyjamas I don't think anyone begrudges places to children with genuine needs, as the first part of the post you quote states.

I hope your DD benefits from the support. As someone who has spent the past 3.5 years going round in circles with community paeds regarding support for one of my own children, I know how draining it is.

And I do know the circumstances of lots of the kids who are in and they could be at home.

I don't think people are complaining about children with SEN being in school. As has been shown on this thread the vulnerable category is being used to cover children who are having meltdowns and the key worker category being used when there is a sahp.

Oops posted that without responding

I’d hazard a guess that the vast majority of parents in dds class know that I’m a teacher. I can honestly say that NONE of them know that dd is on the vulnerable list and it’s on that basis that she’s attending school.

@jellycatspyjamas but we're not talking about SEND children, well I certainly wasn't, my comment was about those that lie to get places. Do you think that is appropriate behaviour?