Why do you think Germany has had nearly 40,000 Covid deaths in only 7 weeks?

[waltzingparrot]

When I looked in the first week of December, that'd had 17,000 deaths. Just looked at worldometer stats now and they're over 55,000. That's nearly 40k in 7 weeks

We're constantly told they have one of the best track and trace systems in Europe and a properly funded health service. Do these figures suggest that these two things aren't as relevant as we thought?

[quote Fembot123]@MyHeartIsNeverOnTime, clearly I haven’t said that, I’m asking you to show me where it says this variant IS 30% more deadly like you said, I haven’t argued about it or said it’s not true. God forbid you back up what you are saying on a public forum.[/quote]
May is a given. Everything in science is a “may”. What do you think confidence intervals are for? Four independent studies have reached a similar conclusion. In fact 30% is the lowest number there. Personally I find the latest PHE take the most compelling, but I’m sure the government didn’t want to terrorise the public with the 65% stat.

It’s worrying Germany have had such a big increase.

Possibly a new mutation? Whatever the reason that is a shocking amount of deaths in such a short space of time

True, but then the winter season was always going to be brutal, so it isn't all that surprising. A lot of countries are really up against it.

@MyHeartIsNeverOnTime you said is, not may. If you don’t even believe the statistic you stated yourself is a true reflection you shouldn’t present it as fact.

Because it's in North Western Europe - high latitude, cold climate, short summers = vitamin D deficiencies.

"It shows that track and trace doesnt help when the numbers of infected people in the population gets too high "

^That.

@HalfPastThree my theory is that Portugal is bad because they have the Brazil strain running riot...

I have been wondering this for a while. Their numbers are really strange. Low ish case figures but surge of deaths. Makes no sense an no analysis in mainstream news

@ConnectFortyFour

I have been wondering this for a while. Their numbers are really strange. Low ish case figures but surge of deaths. Makes no sense an no analysis in mainstream news

Portugal's cases have increased significantly from 4k a day in December to around a day 15k today. Given their population is only 10 million that is equivalent to around 90k cases a day in the UK.

The suggestion is that is is the UK variant that is driving these numbers.
www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/portugal-deemed-high-risk-brazil-strain-uk-variant-driving/

Have they got the Uk varient?

Sorry, I was actually wondering about germany, not Portugal

We had 63k deaths 7 weeks ago and now have 103k deaths. An increase of 40k in 7 weeks. Germany has a 25% bigger population.

Obviously the above doesn’t answer the question asked in the OP, but just for perspective.

They main reason seems to be the higher number of older people catching it when compared with the earlier waves.
You can find some interesting data by age group here:
corona-data.eu/en/
(more current data, but in a less intuitive format here: www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Neuartiges_Coronavirus/Daten/Altersverteilung.html)