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100k deaths. Surely BJ will have to go? And who will take his place?

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Frodont · 27/01/2021 10:24

I'm not sure how he can stay after our shameful death toll. Yes, the vaccination seems to be going well, and yes, there may be extenuating circumstances explaining part of the death toll, but it's a grim figure.

And who do we think would replace him? Raab? Gove?

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MyHeartIsNeverOnTime · 27/01/2021 13:11

Devi Sritar: Five ways the government could have avoided 100K deaths

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jan/27/five-ways-the-government-could-have-avoided-100000-covid-deaths

User133847 · 27/01/2021 13:17

@CagneyNYPD

Raab is quietly preparing behind the scenes. Hunt would also like another run at it. But Raab will get the nod. This is why Raab has been relatively kept away from briefings, interviews etc. To avoid tarnishing him.

Rishi is no longer seen as the golden boy. One person to keep a very close eye on is Sajid Javid.

Boris will step down but not yet. He will cite health and family reasons. Gove will step in as acting PM but not run in a leadership contest.

Eat out to help out will be Sunak's legacy through this.

BigWoollyJumpers · 27/01/2021 13:19

[quote MyHeartIsNeverOnTime]Devi Sritar: Five ways the government could have avoided 100K deaths

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jan/27/five-ways-the-government-could-have-avoided-100000-covid-deaths[/quote]
I've just glanced through this, but honestly anyone who highlights Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales as having done better can't be taken seriously.

4amWitchingHour · 27/01/2021 13:21

The Tories are pragmatic, and have an instinct for maintaining power - they won't get rid of Johnson until there is someone popular enough to take over and there's no obvious contender yet.

They need someone who can successfully take on Starmer in 2024, and at the moment there's no one who would be better than Johnson in campaign mode. It's a shame they won't get rid of him for moral reasons, but that's not the Tory way.

itsgettingweird · 27/01/2021 13:32

[quote YoutubeZoom]@tootiredtospeak Would you add a link to.that ONS data, please?[/quote]
Was going to ask the same.

itwilltakemorethanbullies · 27/01/2021 13:34

[quote MyHeartIsNeverOnTime]Devi Sritar: Five ways the government could have avoided 100K deaths

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jan/27/five-ways-the-government-could-have-avoided-100000-covid-deaths[/quote]
Very very good article

itsgettingweird · 27/01/2021 13:38

Over the rainbow thankyou for the FT link. Very informative.

I found it very interesting and provokes lots of questions why we seem to be the only country that had a dip below our 5yo average halfway through.

Also out excess death rate isn't as high as I thought for this time of year considering our extremely high numbers currently. We must have a general high winter fatality rate?

LovingBob · 27/01/2021 13:41

I wouldn't wish for anything, it could be Patel...

PaddyF0dder · 27/01/2021 13:43

@Pastanred

“I think he’s done an ok job”

Holy shit! By what criteria?!

Mintjulia · 27/01/2021 13:45

No-one else would want the job at the moment. If the vaccine rollout goes well, he'll carry on to the next election on the basis of that alone.

itwilltakemorethanbullies · 27/01/2021 13:47

No-one from the current cabinet is suitable. They were only chosen on the basis of being Brexiteers who swore loyalty to BJ, not because of any skill or competence. Hence a year of mistakes.

YoutubeZoom · 27/01/2021 14:55

I would be very surprised if Raab went for the leadership now. He looked petrified when Johnson was in intensive care.

Ellmau · 27/01/2021 16:19

This anomaly (or what at first sight appears to be an anomaly) is because a significant number of the people who have died of Covid over the last year, would very sadly have died of something else anyway. It would just have been a fall, or a urine infection, or flu that finished them off rather than Covid. This is because Coronavirus overwhelmingly targets the elderly/very vulnerable, that unfortunately didn't have long left anyway (I realise there are exceptions).

But also some deaths that would have taken place normally, eg from car accidents, some murders, didn't. And then down the line some people will die sooner from cancer etc because they didn't get treated early enough. It's complicated.

peak2021 · 27/01/2021 16:22

I don't expect him to go until there is a certainty a no confidence vote of Tory MPs would succeed, or he decides to go. I don't expect him as PM by the next general election, but he could be PM until 2023.

I'd support the Queen sacking him though that is not going to happen.

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Frodont · 27/01/2021 16:24

@4amWitchingHour

The Tories are pragmatic, and have an instinct for maintaining power - they won't get rid of Johnson until there is someone popular enough to take over and there's no obvious contender yet.

Yes I think you are right.

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CureCovid · 27/01/2021 16:27

Oh I doubt he'll go anywhere.

To be honest, while he is awful, there isn't much alternative! Starmer is a complete joke, don't even know who the lib dem leader is anymore (Jo Swinson was the worst, but at least I knew her name!!)

Gotta love the UK!

(Miliband (David not Ed) would be nice...?)

Hrpuffnstuff1 · 27/01/2021 16:47

I agree BJ should go, replaced by Butt Plug, with help from Hand Job.

OverTheRubicon · 27/01/2021 17:47

@tootiredtospeak

This is a click bait though and from them too to keep us compliant. I am no covid denier but try best I can to follow the ONS statistics. Currently they show 529k deaths for 2020 compared to 532k for 2019. With more to be added sure but the excess total I believe is going to be around 6k. So in total 6k more than 2019. It's hard when I read that to understand that if those 100k deaths would not have happened does that mean we would have had 100k less deaths this year. I get this amount is with the measures taken but still it doesn't seem to me the harrowing picture they are painting.

That's not correct based on latest ONS weekly figures, which show over 527,000 for 2019 and 603,000 for 2020. Then there will also be Jan 2021, which will add a lot given we had up to 1000+ excess deaths a day. There's your 100,000.

I absolutely agree that many people dying had life expectancies in the years not decades, but they weren't all destined to go yet.

@Ellmau also - this is not just a stastical anomaly.

www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/weeklyprovisionalfiguresondeathsregisteredinenglandandwales

HesterShaw1 · 27/01/2021 18:41

@Yohoheaveho

Maybe the real problem is that we have so many very old very frail people, coupled with high numbers of not so old people whose health is very precarious Maybe the problem is that so many of us are are living on the edge healthwise, we are easy kindling for any fire that happens to rock up

Surely this must be a factor, as @Yohoheaveho says.

Obesity and associated problems have been talked about for years as an increasingly worrying problem, and ones which have the potential to threaten health and shorten lives. And here we are.

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