Is this ok for a support bubble confused about the rules

Blackdog19 · 21/01/2021 18:03

I thought so, if they were needed for childcare ie parents can’t be with grandparents at same time as children as then no childcare would be needed.

Blackdog19 · 21/01/2021 18:03

A support bubble would be ok if one of the households only has one adult in it.

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milkconfusion3 · 21/01/2021 18:06

I’m just wondering as I wasn’t sure if someone next door to us is meant to be having a set of grandparents each day coming over - they said oh they are our support bubble it’s allowed but I wasn’t sure

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milkconfusion3 · 21/01/2021 18:10

No they are all in the house at the same time

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XenoBitch · 21/01/2021 18:11

You are not eligible for a support bubble, no. But you can form a childcare bubble with one set of grandparents. However, that is strictly for childcare and not for you to socialise with them.

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milkconfusion3 · 21/01/2021 18:13

For it to be childcare does it mean the parents aren’t with the children when the grandparents are then? As they are all in the house together everyday all afternoon

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mangothoughts · 21/01/2021 18:13

Your neighbour is breaking the rules but from what I have read on here, and seen/heard in my own local neighbourhood, so is half the country.
I bloody give up, what is the point if everyone is bending/breaking the rules, we are going to be in lockdown till next Christmas 😖

MotherPiglet · 21/01/2021 18:13

Concentrate on your own family and stop concerning yourself with what your neighbours are doing.

AlexaShutUp · 21/01/2021 18:14

I think it is allowed if a child under 5 has a significant disability and requires constant care. Otherwise not.

A lot of people talk about bubbles though, when they're actually just breaking the rules.

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milkconfusion3 · 21/01/2021 18:14

I wondered if it was ok or not it’s been like this through all the lockdowns. It was worse in summer tbh as they were all in the garden and I would stress each time someone so much a coughed as the gardens are so small. They say it’s allowed as part of a bubble 🤔

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milkconfusion3 · 21/01/2021 18:16

@MotherPiglet

Concentrate on your own family and stop concerning yourself with what your neighbours are doing.

That’s all very well but we are in an area where rates are sky high. I have to keep my children in so they don’t talk through the fence like pre covid because another family are breaking the rules and mixing or could spread it if asymptomatic? I have a cev child too and we have stuck to the rules yet my neighbours potentially breaking them and I do t think that’s right

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HappyTimeTunnelDinosaur · 21/01/2021 18:18

It is allowed as long as they are there for childcare only. If both parents are wfh with young children then that is fine. If they are all eating together and generally socialising then it gets a bit iffy.

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milkconfusion3 · 21/01/2021 18:18

And it’s not just covid is it. They can spread that around may or may not get really ill but all our local hospitals are full and so any other illness or emergency may not be treated quickly given the immense pressures. Surely it’s everyone’s business now to make sure that till people are vaccinated we all stick to the rules ?

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milkconfusion3 · 21/01/2021 18:20

@HappyTimeTunnelDinosaur

It is allowed as long as they are there for childcare only. If both parents are wfh with young children then that is fine. If they are all eating together and generally socialising then it gets a bit iffy.

Hard to know obviously but pre covid they had the same routine as well so I think is just what they are used to

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ZaphodBeeblerox · 21/01/2021 18:20

IMO the thing driving the pandemic forward is our borders not being closed, the lack of quick turnaround in testing (Lateral flow tests aren't reliable, and the PCR tests are coming back within 24 hours only 20-30% of the time), and most importantly that only 20% or so of people who are being asked to isolate either because they have covid or have been exposed to someone with covid are actually isolating.

The government is not providing isolaters with support, and the government is not inspiring confidence with it's endless bending of rules for politicians and advisors and generally living like it's one rule for us and one rule for them.

Things that are not probably spreading the pandemic are a set of parents who are presumably working from home having the same set of grandparents come by every day to do childcare. Please stop fixating so much on the minutiae of the rules and just live your own life!

OverTheRainbow88 · 21/01/2021 18:20

There could be numerous reasons your neighbour has a support bubble, maybe she has seve mental health issues you are unaware of, for example.

Keep your family in and safe and don’t consume yourself with what others are doing- it will drive you slowly mad

kowari · 21/01/2021 18:21

Are you asking because you want to do the same? Technically it is not allowed, only the children should be mixing with the grandparents in a childcare bubble, but why are you asking? One of the children could have a disability like autism, or a parent could need support for significant mental health issues that you don't know about.

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milkconfusion3 · 21/01/2021 18:21

Makes me sound like I’m watching all the time I’m not it’s just how the houses are they have to walk past my window so I see them
And they knock a certain way plus the walls are thin so it’s noisy and you can’t help but notice

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XenoBitch · 21/01/2021 18:21

That’s all very well but we are in an area where rates are sky high. I have to keep my children in so they don’t talk through the fence like pre covid because another family are breaking the rules and mixing or could spread it if asymptomatic? I have a cev child too and we have stuck to the rules yet my neighbours potentially breaking them and I do t think that’s right

They could still spread it even if they were following the rules.

MotherPiglet · 21/01/2021 18:22

We have basically shielded since March. My PIL are my childcare bubble. I'm unwell with hyperemesis so use them multiple times a week and sometimes go with my DS as it's too tiring to drive home and then go back to pick him up. They do the childcare while I try and regain some energy again. My point is, you have no idea why the family is all going around together, concentrate on your own, it doesnt affect you.

Theres nothing stopping your children from playing in your garden, as you've said, theres a fence between them, keep them occupied with something else. How many families are really spending hours in the garden at this time of year?

kowari · 21/01/2021 18:23

The grandparents could move in and it would be fine then. Why does it matter if they are going home to another house in the evening?

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milkconfusion3 · 21/01/2021 18:27

@kowari

The grandparents could move in and it would be fine then. Why does it matter if they are going home to another house in the evening?

I think it’s because I see them pop across to the shop and then they are out and who knows where else they e been then all mixing .... out in the garden taking / singing/ coughing (I’m telling myself prob asthma as it’s ongoing) so I keep my kids in as so anxious

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milkconfusion3 · 21/01/2021 18:27

I would usually wrap mine up and let them play dont most people ? Part of the fence is a chain one so kids are literally face to face

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ineedaholidaynow · 21/01/2021 18:28

@kowari everyone could argue the same thing surely? Why have bubbles, rules?

MotherPiglet · 21/01/2021 18:30

If they're going to the shop etc it's no different to just your neighbour doing it. It doesnt matter their relatives are either. Can you children play away from the fence or go to the park etc? Honestly, stop caring what your neighbours do, it doesnt effect you.