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We will find out in a week if children will be back in school straight after half term

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choosingcrumble · 21/01/2021 08:30

According to this report, we will find out next week if children will be back in school straight after half term. What is your prediction?

news.sky.com/story/covid-19-schools-to-get-two-weeks-notice-before-reopening-says-education-secretary-gavin-williamson-12194215?fbclid=IwAR01kL4lnGyWXKjseFgMhnayMvYwmYwfS_y3wUDxGd3mco2-vlhUD7nvIV0

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52andblue · 21/01/2021 10:36

@DayBath

I don't think the infections will have dropped enough.

So yes the government will reopen them because they are incompetent arseholes who rush in to decisions, resulting in lots of half done lockdowns instead of one big proper one to get it over and done with.

Sadly, I agree with @DayBath
Dartsplayer · 21/01/2021 10:37

That's Gav's way of telling us schools won't be back until after Easter

RedToothBrush · 21/01/2021 10:42

The government also said yesterday that schools would return on a regional basis.

Yesterday Andy Burnham was talking about the state of hospitals in Greater Manchester and saying they hadn't yet peaked and were not expecting to until next week.

Its not a dissimilar situation in the Liverpool area and in Cheshire.

I'm not sure of the picture elsewhere in the NW or across the rest of the country.

Do i think it likely that there will be an announcement next week (the week hospitals are expected to peak) that most of the north west will go back to school a fortnight later?

Now it seems that being pessimistic is a sin on MN at the moment, however if you still think there is a serious chance of schools returning straight after February half term, you really need a good shake at this point.

SansaSnark · 21/01/2021 10:49

@manicinsomniac

I am quite happy for them to use the month vaccinating teachers and then reopen schools again. Most of the over 70s and vulnerable groups will be vaccinated by then, so we should see an improvement on hospital admissions

ICUs are (apparently, I haven't been in one myself just hearing from friends and family) filled with men in their 50s and 60s.

As a very vague guesstimate, I would suggest that more than half of teachers are under 40, with a bias towards women.

As a woman in my 30s with no Covid vulnerabilities, I would be so upset and angry if things got changed around to offer me a vaccine before my morbidly obese 65 year old Mum can get one. We have got to support all the vulnerable before the rest of us. The chances of it being anything more than a nasty inconvenience for youngish, healthy people are so low.

I sort of agree but it is a nasty enough illness for people in their 20s and 30s that if enough staff get it, it will shut schools or limit student access to education. If school staff are not a priority for vaccines that is fine but it does mean that any attempt to reopen schools before cases are right down is likely to fail.

The new variant is more transmissible and seems more transmissible in children, which will cause real problems if schools fully reopened too soon. We have already had 3 staff cases in school this term with ~5% of the kids in. And I know of primary schools who have had to shut bubbles.

Personally, I would not want a return to schools only for things to end up like the end of last term very quickly, so I do think we need to be strategic and vaccines may be part of that strategy.

My personal opinion is that schools could do a partial reopening after half term with the right precautions in place, but if the DfE insist on all or nothing it will be Easter at least.

tootiredtospeak · 21/01/2021 10:53

It shouldn't be all or nothing but based on areas. Our tiny local school had no cases that is none between September and December and yet these poor kids get lumped in with everyone else. 28 postive tests in this area in the last 4 weeks. That isn't any justification to keep anyone out of school. They should have kept it at the london boroughs and other high infection areas without a blanket approach.

CornishYarg · 21/01/2021 10:56

@formerbabe

Why is it a choice between after half term or after Easter? Why can't they go back at some point inbetween?

Anyway I'm still bitter about last year. No reason kids couldn't have gone back in the summer term 2020.

Agreed. It always seems to be assumed here that children have to return after a holiday. If it's deemed that it's suitable to return them a couple of weeks before the holidays, why squander those two weeks?

In fact, having a natural break due to a school holiday not long after they've returned could well be an advantage.

RedToothBrush · 21/01/2021 10:58

My personal opinion is that schools could do a partial reopening after half term with the right precautions in place, but if the DfE insist on all or nothing it will be Easter at least.

How? With what additional staffing and space?

Rosesaresweet · 21/01/2021 11:49

He said he hoped before Easter, it would be fantastic to be given a firm date in the next few weeks. Happy he emphasised again schools will be the first to reopen.

I agree. Hopefully cases will continue to decline so that hospitals can cope better, and I really hope schools reopen before the Easter holidays!

OverTheRainbowLiesOz · 21/01/2021 11:53

Teacher daughter tested negative today thank god but others have not.

Delatron · 21/01/2021 11:57

Completely agree that they shouldn’t use a holiday as a date to send kids back. The virus doesn’t know it’s Easter. I thought we were following the science.

We reacted quickly to close the schools so react quickly to open them the minute the pressure on the hospitals reduces. If that’s a random Tuesday mid March then so be it.

Schools will be the first to open so all those saying June, September do you think everything else can stay closed until then.

Boris admitted he made a mistake last time opening pubs, hairdressers, restaurants whilst children missed months of education. Do you think he’ll make that mistake again?

Delatron · 21/01/2021 11:59

Also agree they should use Easter break as a bit of a circuit breaker. Back for a few weeks then break. Then we’ll be well in to April.

MarshaBradyo · 21/01/2021 12:01

@Delatron

Completely agree that they shouldn’t use a holiday as a date to send kids back. The virus doesn’t know it’s Easter. I thought we were following the science.

We reacted quickly to close the schools so react quickly to open them the minute the pressure on the hospitals reduces. If that’s a random Tuesday mid March then so be it.

Schools will be the first to open so all those saying June, September do you think everything else can stay closed until then.

Boris admitted he made a mistake last time opening pubs, hairdressers, restaurants whilst children missed months of education. Do you think he’ll make that mistake again?

Agree entirely

Why be slow on this

kowari · 21/01/2021 12:09

I am counting down to half term and hoping they go back. My DS is sure to fail his English GCSEs otherwise. I've stopped feeling much of anything already.

ineedaholidaynow · 21/01/2021 19:56

I think you will be disappointed @kowari if you expect schools to be open at half term

kowari · 21/01/2021 20:28

I don't really expect it, just counting down and telling myself they might. If I let myself think Easter I will just fall apart. Just have to keep focusing on that light at the end of the tunnel even if it might not be real Sad.

DenisetheMenace · 21/01/2021 20:35

WanderingMilly

It would be absolutely bloody stupid to open schools after half term. Far too many infections still, despite the drop, and definitely far too many deaths and an overwhelmed NHS. When things start moving in the right direction, are we really going to risk this happening all over again?? Far better to learn the lessons of previous lockdowns, see this out properly and open schools after Easter, confident that vaccines are well under way and we are finally in control of all this.”

Agree, Milly. Lots of “infection rates are beginning to drop now” comments too. Well, yes, obviously, because a good 50% of the population are staying at home. If they all come out too soon before much more widespread vaccination, up the rates will go again.

Alwaysready · 21/01/2021 20:35

My school planning for after Easter

lunar1 · 21/01/2021 20:37

There have been no changes made to schools to make them safer than before.

There is constant arguments over the lateral flow tests being only 50% accurate in adults, probably less so in children.

Teachers aren't vaccinated with the first dose yet, never mind the full schedule to give maximum effectiveness.

The NHS has probably only recently peaked for admissions and most hospitals are still full even with the increase in critical care capacity.

Schools will be lucky to open at Easter at this rate. It's much easier for them to stay closed than to open to early and have to shut again.

Roselilly36 · 21/01/2021 20:50

After Easter at the earliest I expect

Gobbolino7825 · 21/01/2021 21:01

If the kids don't go back to school until after Easter they will have been out of school for another 4 months from 18th Dec - 19th April! That's after not being in school for 6 months last year with just one term in a over whole year face to face!

My children are aged between 5 and 10 and 'remote learning' especially with two full-time working parents is in no way an acceptable alternative to face to face teaching. The whole situation is a nightmare!

kowari · 21/01/2021 21:08

The whole situation is a nightmare!
I often go to bed telling myself that I will wake up and the past few weeks will have been a nightmare. DS was doing so do much better September to December. It's just the two of us so if one is struggling we both are. I don't want it to be real.

MarshaBradyo · 21/01/2021 21:11

@Gobbolino7825

If the kids don't go back to school until after Easter they will have been out of school for another 4 months from 18th Dec - 19th April! That's after not being in school for 6 months last year with just one term in a over whole year face to face!

My children are aged between 5 and 10 and 'remote learning' especially with two full-time working parents is in no way an acceptable alternative to face to face teaching. The whole situation is a nightmare!

Yep two out of three terms out. Same dc
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