This is how it spreads...

[Silversun83]

DH's brother currently living with PIL after recently splitting up from his girlfriend. The two DC visit and stay over multiple times in a week.

The girlfriend now has a new rebound boyfriend who also has two DC. The new rebound boyfriend is also living with his parents. His DC's mother also has two children from a previous relationship.. Who likely see their own father.

The potential chain of transmission makes my head hurt..

So what do you propose?

BIL become homeless?

Not see this children?

You absolute genius. You've solved it! What's the alternative plan then? Honestly, have a word.

@LucilleTheVampireBat

You absolute genius. You've solved it! What's the alternative plan then? Honestly, have a word.

Classy.

I think the OP is just saying this is how it spreads, not that they're necessarily doing anything outside the rules. Yes, on the one hand it's obvious, but I myself have had lightbulb moments when you realise just how different people in a household mix externally, and their contacts mix externally...

It's a bit like realising we're a tiny planet suspended in a never ending expanse of nothingness. We all KNOW it to be true... But when I actually think about it my head hurts

@sparklfairy..

Thank you, that was my point and partly in response to those asking how it's still spreading (which I have wondered myself).

Though in addition DH's brother's ex-girlfriend is not strictly following the rules by forming a new relationship during lockdown when she already has a support bubble. Which is obviously joining up the different 'bubbles'.

The rules on bubbles aren’t very strict so people have used them to date and have new partners stay etc so there is a lot of mixing going on. It should have been tighter from the start so pick a bubble, register it then no changing. Won’t stop all mixing but at least lessen it and break some of the transmission chains that may occur.

Thank you for this, it does explain as not everyone lives like this, my family don’t mix with anyone outside our household, we haven’t been inside someone else’s house for nearly a year, only in people’s gardens. You do forget how other people live, which of course is within the rules, I am very lucky that we don’t have to.

Living with parents - need

Seeing children - need

Going to work - need

Meeting up with new partner who has multiple other contacts because "I miss them, im horny, but i want tooooooo" - NOT a need

THAT is how this spreads.

Yeah, exactly.

Thing is, a lot of people STILL don't understand it.

Yes. There are a lot of opportunities to spread the virus within the laws/guidelines, let alone when people break them in even small ways.

It's difficult though because I understand why the support bubbles etc exist & obviously why children with separated parents can move between both houses, but there's definitely a lot of people then in indirect contact

Haha at the idea of “registering” bubbles. Which overworked public servant who is also trying to homeschool their children is supposed to oversee that tokenistic bit of admin? Easier not to have them in the first place which I expect would be your preference.

I find this sort of thing really interesting. On the face of it my bubble is really small.

Myself, DP and DS. But then you start to add things to it, like DP is a customer facing role, DSS comes to visit us, both his mum and stepdad work out the house, one in a customer facing role, they are in a childcare bubble with DSS mum parents, who have their son living with them at the moment, who sees his 2 kids (that he has with his ex) who is in a relationship with her partner who also have kids who comes to visit and it goes on and on and on

Meh. Same old blaming 'others' thread. The bubble envy variant.

It makes me realise how small my contacts are.

No different to supermarket workers in contact with different people five days a week.

Transmission is more likely to be from the hospitals, staff using pubic transport and the like.

Kids are safer now because they aren’t in school with 30 others in the class. Which makes their families safer.

You won’t stop the spread until everyone is vaccinated or had it or stand still.

@BluebellsGreenbells

No different to supermarket workers in contact with different people five days a week.

Transmission is more likely to be from the hospitals, staff using pubic transport and the like.

Kids are safer now because they aren’t in school with 30 others in the class. Which makes their families safer.

You won’t stop the spread until everyone is vaccinated or had it or stand still.

Not exactly the same considering the use of masks plus the fleeting nature of supermarket contacts..

So you highlighted the one you didn’t like? Balanced view?

I am actually surprised that cases are coming down as it is obvious that there is still a high amount of mixing taking place and most of it is essential (work; food shopping etc).

I think all the guidelines can be ‘stretched’. In theory I could meet lots of people for outside exercise as long as it is only one at a time. We just have to hope that individuals are sensible and limit contacts where possible.

@Sobeyondthehills

I find this sort of thing really interesting. On the face of it my bubble is really small.

Myself, DP and DS. But then you start to add things to it, like DP is a customer facing role, DSS comes to visit us, both his mum and stepdad work out the house, one in a customer facing role, they are in a childcare bubble with DSS mum parents, who have their son living with them at the moment, who sees his 2 kids (that he has with his ex) who is in a relationship with her partner who also have kids who comes to visit and it goes on and on and on

Yep, there is a never ending over lapping over contacts, and unless we all stand still and have no food, care, hospital treatment, gas, water, internet ....... it will continue.

All we can hope for is spread to be slowed, as it can't be eliminated.

The zoe app showed a map of recent users who tested positive it was major cities with an airport and port areas primarily showing up on the map

Anecdata but still made me think

Out far a walk this afternoon around my village. As usual not much compliance with lockdown. There are many houses with visitors cars outside and two houses with groups in the gardens. DH saw numerous people eating in the pub garden and more sitting chatting and eating packed lunches on the wall by the river. Do they not understand ? To cap it all trod in dog poo in a field the footpath crosses, counted about 5 lots there where there are notices that you can be fined. This is the type of village a lot of people want to move to.........

*Yep, there is a never ending over lapping over contacts, and unless we all stand still and have no food, care, hospital treatment, gas, water, internet ....... it will continue.

All we can hope for is spread to be slowed, as it can't be eliminated.*

Its basically the 7 degrees of kevin bacon

Well if you sent all the children off together to live in a big concentration holiday camp with no parental contact then that would help. Then all the cross contamination would be contained within the camp itself and not spread to all of us adults.

Getting right to the point, OP, I presume you're suggesting we stop child contact with their NRP. Do you really think the police and family courts are going to have the time to deal with that mess?

It's a no from me.

@PicsInRed

Getting right to the point, OP, I presume you're suggesting we stop child contact with their NRP. Do you really think the police and family courts are going to have the time to deal with that mess?

It's a no from me.

Personally I would want nrp to be as restrictive with his contacts as I am but he choses to mix between five households and piss off to Scotland and back to the Midlands so I just content myself to washing the kids hands when they get back from seeing him

Also your schools and childcare facilities are all open aren't they?