Pfizer is trending ???

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Ok this is stupid and I apologise.

I haven’t slept in two nights (non corona reasons) and my brain isn’t working, I simply can’t think straight.

Anyway, I’ve seen that Pfizer is now the top trending on twitter but u can’t make any sense of what’s happened

Could someone explain ? Is it bad ?

They've had supply issues, they've said it's to do with work they've done to increase supply in coming months but it means a lot of countries, mainly EU ones that I've seen (and UK) won't get as much of the Pfizer vaccine as they had ordered in the next few weeks but Pfizer say supply will be up again soon and they'll be able to supply more then. I'm not sure whether it's reason to panic or not though tbh, depends who's telling the truth as always

@Puzzledtenant

They've had supply issues, they've said it's to do with work they've done to increase supply in coming months but it means a lot of countries, mainly EU ones that I've seen (and UK) won't get as much of the Pfizer vaccine as they had ordered in the next few weeks but Pfizer say supply will be up again soon and they'll be able to supply more then. I'm not sure whether it's reason to panic or not though tbh, depends who's telling the truth as always

Okay, thankyou that makes sense.

At least we have the Oxford and Moderna vaccines too I guess

Could also be this - sorry for Daily Fail link...

Norway adjusts advice after vaccine deaths but isn't alarmed

Oh my link doesn’t work. It’s on there to find anyway!

@Bagelsandbrie

Could also be this - sorry for Daily Fail link...

Norway adjusts advice after vaccine deaths but isn't alarmed

Oooh that doesn’t sound good at all

Basically they are saying that if an elderly person is very frail or terminally ill, the doctors have to assess whether it is worth giving the vaccine as it COULD have negative affects (allergy, nausea, fever) which COULD be harmful to someone so frail.
Do they enjoy coming up with frightening headlines? I think it is cruel and unhelpful.

It's explained in the British Medical Journal

www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n149

The agency has investigated 13 of the (23) deaths so far and concluded that common adverse reactions of mRNA vaccines, such as fever, nausea, and diarrhoea, may have contributed to fatal outcomes in some of the frail patients

They reckon that patients who were very weak/elderly had difficulty recovering from the side effects of the vaccine (which they think would not have been problematic in healthy individuals). For now they are recommending that doctors make a risk assessment before they vaccinate these types of patients.

This evaluation includes discussing the risks and benefits of vaccination with the patient and their families to decide whether or not vaccination is the best course

Perhaps read the bmj report on this rather than the daily mail which gives the details without the utterly stupid scaremongering. There was also an excellent series on radio 4 called How to Vaccinate the World which covered the issue of elderly people dying following the vaccine, dying because they are elderly, not because they've had the vaccine - and how the anti vaxx brigade would use the as proof that vaccines = bad.

The health authorities are monitoring this stuff incredibly closely. The vaccines are what is going to get us out of this mess. Please don't help spread misinformation.

Tried to link to bmj piece but if you Google it, it's easy to find. Please read it.

Trulydelicious, obviously way more tech savvy than reprehensibleme

@trulydelicious @reprehensibleme Thank you. Why publish a headline like that in times like these? 'vaccine deaths' Just what everyone needs to see in a headline at the moment.

We do need to be more open about the people suffering severe side effects and deaths following having had the vaccine. We need to find out why a, previously very fit, Miami doctor in his 50s died 16 days after the vaccine as well as exactly why the 23 patients over 80 years old in Norway died. We need to look more at those with severe allergic reactions to the vaccine.

The 'investigation' into the 2 who suffered anaphylaxis in the UK resulted in advice being changed in late December. This changed so that if you have suffered anaphylaxis, you should not have the Pfizer vaccine. This was then quickly rescinded on 10th January so that you can now have the vaccine as long as you aren't allergic to its ingredients. How on earth would most people even know that?

I don't want my relative, who has been in anaphylatic shock more than once, to have the Pfizer jab and, although it was once the vaccine I would choose, I no longer want the Pfizer vaccine either.

Absolutely investigate and publicise actual facts - but also report them in non-sensationalist ways. A headline like that could scare someone off getting the vaccine, and they could then die of covid, which would be really sad. Crap information causes problems across the board.

@Calmandmeasured1

This changed so that if you have suffered anaphylaxis, you should not have the Pfizer vaccine. This was then quickly rescinded on 10th January so that you can now have the vaccine as long as you aren't allergic to its ingredients

I think it's early days and advice is likely to change several times as more people receive the vaccine and there is better understanding of side effects

I don't want my relative, who has been in anaphylatic shock more than once, to have the Pfizer jab

I would assume your relative may decide to have the Oxford vaccine (I would also not have the Pfizer vaccine with a previous history of anaphylactic shock even if the amended guidance stated I could have it)

I would assume your relative may decide to have the Oxford vaccine (I would also not have the Pfizer vaccine with a previous history of anaphylactic shock even if the amended guidance stated I could have it)
Their GP surgery advised them they wouldn't be able to have the Pfizer vaccine but that was before the advice was rescinded. If they follow the new advice, and we aren't allowed to make a choice between vaccines, I don't know which vaccine they will be given.