I know it’s not possible, but....

[PuzzledObserver]

A 3-week hard lockdown would kill the virus stone dead, wouldn’t it?

Everyone stock up for 3 weeks..... vulnerable would need carers to move in.... and then literally everyone stays put for 3 weeks, except in medical or life-threatening emergencies.

The virus would have nowhere to go.

I’m not saying it’s practical, or will ever happen, but in theory it should work.

@PuzzledObserver

OK, not a good idea.

To answer a few points: I envisaged essential workers staying at their place of work.... and I thought 3 weeks would be enough for everyone in a closed environment to catch it if they were going to.

There’s no need to be rude. It was only an idea.

But isn't this essentially what we are supposed to have done/be doing?

Or do you mean essential workers stay at their play of work, as in eat and sleep there, be there 24/7?

do you realise that your waste water doesn't magically disappear by fairies? would you not want someone to come if you had a sewage escape in your house?

To answer a few points: I envisaged essential workers staying at their place of work.... and I thought 3 weeks would be enough for everyone in a closed environment to catch it if they were going to.

i dont think staying at a sewage work would be possible, some of them only have a loo and sink, don't exactly have beds...

I think op was just thinking hypothetically since they did say “ I know we can’t actually do this “ no need to insinuate she is thick etc .

I do think people don’t realise just how many people physically need to be out at work though . Iv never seen my field of work mentioned on here ever during all the key worker talks but it’s physically impossible to do it from home

At the start of all this we were only half joking when we said we may have to move into our work building if things got really really bad !

It wouldn’t work because the ‘entitled’ few would still call in to see their friends or family or take their kids to the park, because they’d believe they were free from Covid so it’s acceptable to break the rules.

Not every company that needs staff would be able to cover 3 weeks worth of shifts with employees living in. Think of all the jobs where people would need to actually physically be at their place of work. Firemen, electricity power stations, all hospitals and care homes, telecoms, banking, farming, food packaging, food factories, lots of other essential factory workers, can you imagine how three weeks without production would affect toilet roll stock on the supermarket shelves?

During the lockdowns I’ve had a plumber in my home twice, both times as emergency jobs, should he have lived with me after plumbing in my new toilet?
Do you think supermarkets should be closed for three weeks? Do you think everyone can afford to have 3 weeks worth of groceries in?

Should pharmacy’s close? Should the GP close? What happens if you need antibiotics? Should paramedics be off work? What happens if you have a heart attack? It’s not just one heart doctor at the hospital that fixes you! There are teams of people.
If a hospital is open then all the staff would need to live on sight for three weeks, that includes minimum wage cleaners. I’d not want to spend three weeks at work for minimum wage. Are you suggesting people get the option to say no, or should a single person with a dog or cat leave their pet to starve or be Shang-hi’d into work? Let’s say 300 people are forced to work and live together for three weeks, one of them has Covid. By the end of the shift everyone will be sick, who’d want to come in and take over if nobody can work? Especially if the 300 are the majority of the staff.

I don’t think you’ve really thought this through. Nice in theory, totally unworkable in reality.

My DS was only symptomatic 16 days after his sister tested positive (didn't leave the house, could only have caught it from her). Incubation periods can be long. Chuck in the asymptomatic thousands who'd leave the house after 3 weeks actively shedding, critical workers who are out driving ambulances, putting out fires, arresting people, fixing crises and emergencies as well as the other workers necessary to maintain a basic infrastructure and of course it'll spread.

You will not stop the spread, only slow it.

@PuzzledObserver

OK, not a good idea.

To answer a few points: I envisaged essential workers staying at their place of work.... and I thought 3 weeks would be enough for everyone in a closed environment to catch it if they were going to.

There’s no need to be rude. It was only an idea.

Sadly if I moved into the construction site that I am managing (school project considered essential), I would freeze to death as there is no heating yet, and no windows.

Although I wouldn't have to homeschool, so you might be onto something there...

We are all connected

@PuzzledObserver

OK, not a good idea.

To answer a few points: I envisaged essential workers staying at their place of work.... and I thought 3 weeks would be enough for everyone in a closed environment to catch it if they were going to.

There’s no need to be rude. It was only an idea.

Eh what now? So plumbers, gas/boiler repair engineers, electricians, paramedics, doctors, nurses, police officers, all have to go stay at their place of work?

How would you see that playing out then?

I read someone saying that a six-week lockdown worldwide would work.

BUT you would have to have six weeks supply of food and water. You could not leave the house at all. You could not have services. And you could not access medical treatment. If you have a heart attack, you die.

So.....

I think op was just thinking hypothetically since they did say “ I know we can’t actually do this “ no need to insinuate she is thick etc

Thank you. It is a thought experiment, no more.

I was thinking of the care home staff who voluntarily moved in with the residents at the start of the first lockdown in order to protect them. Wondered whether the same principle could be applied more widely.

Since so many people are not willing/able to stick by current restrictions, it would never be attempted.

I know I said kill the virus stone dead, but I don’t believe that will actually happen. However, if we could cut the levels to very low levels, then test, trace and isolate could control it.

Since so many people are not willing/able to stick by currenrestrictions, it would never be attempted

That’s not why It won’t be attempted.

It won’t be attempted as it’s impractical. You spring a leak. Where do you think your plumber is coming from? What about there is a gas leak? Where would they be staying? A tree takes power cables down? Where do they stay? What about the telecom engineers? The paramedics, rhe police officers, the fire men? The people who clean the hospitals? The vets? The folks who work in the refineries and produce petrol to keep these guys able to travel? What about bus and train drivers so these people can get to work. And clean that hospital? Or to operate on your dog who needs emergency care? Or to get to the depot to join the team going to fix the power lines?

Where are they all staying these people? How will they be fed in this place of work that can house them?Who is looking after their children during this period? Who is looking after Their animals?

It’s not ever going to happen because folks don’t comply. It won’t happen becayse it’s simply impossible.

I think people need to get past the idea that we’re going to be able to get rid of the virus. We’re not. The vaccine will be rolled out to the more vulnerable groups, this will take pressure off the hospitals, the restrictions will be lifted and we’ll just get on with it

Exactly this

Yes there'll still be some who'll go on panicking even if only one person has Covid, and certainly those making a packet out of this will be keen for it to continue, but mostly folk will - as you say - just have to get on with it

certainly those making a packet out of this will be keen for it to continue

That sounds like the Big Pharma mantra of the Conspiracy Theorists... And not coincidentally just like a paranoid weed smoker's dreams.

Why, Haffiana? I'd have thought it obvious - no conspiracy theories required - that suppliers of equipment, testing labs, numerous researchers and so on will see quite a drop in income when it's finally over. Then there's the point someone made on another forum that, at a time of uncertainty over EU research funding, this has proved a boost to the coffers

That's not to suggest they'd want the actual virus to continue, but let's not pretend they won't miss the money - or that the ongoing worry won't be open to exploitation

That would be impossible - animal welfare!!!

@Puzzledandpissedoff

Why, Haffiana? I'd have thought it obvious - no conspiracy theories required - that suppliers of equipment, testing labs, numerous researchers and so on will see quite a drop in income when it's finally over. Then there's the point someone made on another forum that, at a time of uncertainty over EU research funding, this has proved a boost to the coffers

That's not to suggest they'd want the actual virus to continue, but let's not pretend they won't miss the money - or that the ongoing worry won't be open to exploitation

Obvious that they are 'keen for it to continue'?

No. That is just pure bloody unthinking bollocks.

Obvious that they are 'keen for it to continue'?

As i n my PP I was referring to the panic - which isn't the same thing as the actual virus

@Puzzledandpissedoff

Obvious that they are 'keen for it to continue'?

As i n my PP I was referring to the panic - which isn't the same thing as the actual virus

Panic also isn't the basis upon which anyone would actually spend money for equipment, researchers etc etc. So no-one is keen for the panic to continue so that they make 'a packet out of it' either, FFS.

This is just the usual conspiracy shit. It is always deeply unintelligent and based on the belief that 'others' are not as clever as those who Can See The Truth.

What about electricity? Water? Gas? Internet?
What about vets? Farms?
What if a boiler breaks? Or a fridge? A sewer?
What about social services? Courts? Prisons?

Emergency services would still need to work. So the virus would still spread through them.

I don’t think it would unless you isolate everyone who works in hospitals and other essential services (water etc)

Yes it would work but no hospital or shops either. So people would still die, but it would work.

It's too unpalatable to happen. Your basically murdering dialysis patients etc

So those people whose only care comes from social care, their carers who visit maybe 8 clients a day... how would that work?

How long do you think you’d need to isolate a care home of 60 residents and its staff in it before it has definitely moved through everyone? Many of those staff have children - who would care for them for the months / years required?

Everyone in hospital discharged, no ambulances, no A&E, women forced to give birth at home with no HCPs, no antenatal care, fall and break your hip when living alone? Tough shit, die on the floor.

Those with disabled children who need care 24/7? No respite for you!

No refuse collection, no delivery services, no shops open etc etc.

If every human being could be placed in an enclosed cell with 3 weeks of food and water several buckets to crap in, then yes the virus would eventually die. As would millions of people without access to medical care etc. Those with young children could bunk up with them for twice as long, per child. Sound feasible to you?

Who's looking after all the children in this scenario while we hunker down at work for 3 weeks?

Wouldn’t you have to make sure all the groups that could mix (eg hospital staff) had had it before you stopped keeping them apart.

It could take a while to do this

But if you didn’t virus would just re emerge and spread