Am I allowed to see my support bubble....

[bigmistake1]

Quick question as I can't work it out from the guidance. I'm a single parent and my mum, who also lives in her own, is my support bubble for childcare purposes. We're also her support bubble as she got really depressed in the last lockdown when she couldn't see anyone.

We moved into a new house yesterday and have no internet or tv ( engineer coming tomorrow). Would it be ok to take my children around to my mum's so they can access WiFi? And I can get some unpacking done. She lives a 10 min walk away in same town.

I have no problem with supporting anyone against loneliness.

But it should be within reason. Limited. Not a free for all

In a pandemic where we are supposed to stay home I'd say Wi fi is necessary.

Especially if you're a single parent, just moved house and need to keep young children entertained while you try and unpack.

@Waxonwaxoff0

Especially if you're a single parent, just moved house and need to keep young children entertained while you try and unpack.

Exactly. They're really unsettled due to the move, over excited, and for once I would be very happy for them to settle down and play Roblox with their friends.

While I can get the house straight and unpacked. I work full time in an extremely demanding keyworker role and have no time in the week for unpacking, etc.

Yes it's allowed and fine, unless your mum is vulnerable. Personally I think that we should only be considering if we should be doing something, not if it's allowed, with more vulnerable people.

In the middle of a pandemic I'd say taking fewer risks is more important.

One minute children are a hotbed if infection and schools have to close. Then they're off to another house to use the WiFi. Does your mum go shopping? Work? Or is she shielding (god forbid)

This isn't about her loneliness. This isn't even about you having her help to get straight?!

Yes it's allowed. Yes we're allowed to go and jump in a canal but common sense might stop us.

Ffs.

@IK14 support bubbles are treated as one household. You can see them as much as you like for as long as you like, for any reason, same as the people who live in your house. You can see them all day every day. Stop making up rules.

[quote BuffaloCauliflower]@IK14 support bubbles are treated as one household. You can see them as much as you like for as long as you like, for any reason, same as the people who live in your house. You can see them all day every day. Stop making up rules.[/quote]
This isn't me making up rules. This is more people using rules to their convenience instead of using their common sense.

I despair.

OP if you and your mum are a support bubble you can see her as much as you like for any reason. Support bubbles stand above all other guideance.

Guidance*

@IK14 it’s not about ‘convenience’. People in support bubbles can hang out all day every day if they wish because they’re considered one household. It doesn’t have to be for a specific length of time specifically for a very defined kind of support as you seem to think.

Ironically you can see your support bubble indoors without any geographical or time restrictions (which I totally agree with), but if you chose to see them outside (safer) you risk getting fined by the police if you drive there.
Thank you to the government and police for that nonsense.

Thanks Buffalo.

I do agree it's not just a question of what we are allowed to do, but also what is right. My mum isn't vulnerable, she isn't working, the only place she goes is occasionally food shopping ( although I do most for her) and my house. I don't see this as being irresponsible.

I do take the point that each visit is an increased risk. But a very, very small increased risk in this situation when she sees us all most days anyway.

@benedicto there’s no restrictions to how far you can drive to see a support bubble. They don’t have to be local, though it’s preferable if they are.

@BridgertonBride

Childcare bubble? So you can go out to work not so they can go on WiFi!

It’s not a childcare bubble, it’s a support bubble. And support bubbles were introduced for a reason. My DC are at my mums today. She lives alone and is our support bubble. She lives 200 yards today and we have acted as one household since support bubbles were introduced. Her mental health has increased dramatically since she was allowed to see her grandchildren again... she was basically the lowest she’s ever been from March until June.

@bigmistake1 exactly, you see each other most days so one more day makes no difference. As you’re considered one household it is no different to being with your children. The point of support bubbles is there’s no restriction on interaction within them.

@IK14 if you are in a support bubble with someone, it is exactly the same as being in a household with them. That's it. "Despair" all you want, what OP is proposing is fine.

Support bubbles are one household. Ignore anyone saying otherwise. Single parenting is hard, it’s even harder in a pandemic. This is why they allowed support bubbles from last year onwards. There are no restrictions on how and why you can see each other as technically you are counted as one household. Don’t even worry about it.

I do despair.

Why can't you reduce risk? Why is it ok for you to do whatever suits?

I'm off this thread now because I'm getting really upset

Have a nice day everyone

I despair too.

I despair at how people seem to think they have a right to judge and berate others who are acting WITHIN the guidelines.

I despair at how people don't stop and think for a moment, about how other people's circumstances might not be identical to your own.

I despair how people are scared and unsure if they can go to a popular pet store to buy pet supplies without being stopped by the police.

Speaking of common sense, if more common sense had been applied from day 1 of this pandemic then we might not be as fucked as we are now. Common sense is shutting the borders when it's clear there's a pandemic on the horizon. Common sense is ensuring the Nightingale hospitals can be staffed before spending £££ building them. Common sense is NOT making the OP feel like a COVID spreading wanker for wanting to go and see her mum (regardless of the reason) who is in her support bubble. The OP has probably been to see her mum countless times during the pandemic, as is her right under the guidelines.

It's got fuck all to do with anybody else what anybody does that is acting within the realms of what is allowed and the only mistake the OP has made is post on MN, where she can be "told off" by the COVID 3rd Reich.

They do it because its allowed.

Its not affecting you so I don't know why you're getting upset

I don't understand why you can't work this out from the guidance. If she's your support bubble then of course they can go.

@IK14

It's necessary to have WiFi. Can't wait til tomorrow.

If bubbles are banned this will be why.

If bubbles be banned what will be why? Because people are using them?

@Bohemiagirl

I don't understand why you can't work this out from the guidance. If she's your support bubble then of course they can go.

Exactly this. Have you not been seeing her anyway OP?