Further Restrictions 'Stricter than March' Needed

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From the Telegraph today:

Sage advisers are calling for a lockdown tougher than the one seen in March as they argue the current restrictions do not go far enough.

Professor Susan Michie, a health psychology professor at University College London who sits on a Sage subcommittee, said more stringent action was needed.

While around 90 per cent of Britons are sticking to the rules there are also "more people out and about”, Prof Michie told the Today programme.

"It should definitely be tightened,” she said. "This is quite a lax lockdown because we’ve still got a lot of household contact, people go in and out of other’s houses. We should have stricter rather than a less strict lockdown than we had in March.

“You have this wide definition of critical workers and therefore you’ve got really busy public transport. There's also this new variant, and we have the winter season and the virus survives for longer in the cold.”

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Do you think they'll follow through with this? Reduce the amount of children in schools, ban support bubbles, heavier policing of people going about their daily lives?

It’s also often the low paid and more at risk workers who can’t work from home, and who the “stay the fuck at home” mob expect to be providing services for them to be able to do so

Yes they would soon complain if the supermarket workers and delivery drivers bringing them their online ocado orders stayed the fuck at home.

Why do I feel like we are heading for some 1984 situation where we will need special written permission to leave our house and we will feel like rebels for stopping to chat to someone in the street?

That would make some people very happy

@GoldenOmber yes as the employer has found a loophole to exploit as I had already stated in my post.

@FizzyFanta1 very funny

DinosaurDigestive

aggression seems to be aimed at two walkers and yet the reality is the risk they pose is minuscule compared to office workers on phones being forced to work in an office when they could be at home. Sitting in an office all day with someone who has covid19 is going to be much higher risk, however far apart people sit.

@FizzyFanta1 please tell me you are joking. Please.

I think FizzyFanta just wants to stir people up

@mummabear4321 lucky you can get food delivered as its hard here , no slots
And roads are quite busy , lots going to work that were not last time, so they have no choice to go out and many could wfh or at least couple days a week , which would help.
My neighbours normally go barely anywhere but suddenly they are travelling for long drives to walk.
We would normally do the 20 min journey to the beach to walk , but are also staying local , going no more than 3/4 mile radius.

@ivykaty44 Completely agree with you.

So many just don't seem to understand things at all and it truly is frightening.

@Skipsurvey

M & S is open, Boots is open, people are sitting in the arndale centre, outside sainsburys eating!

people are too blase, give them a mask and they think they are invincible

Of course m&s stores are open. Most of the ones still in existence have a whacking great food Hall. I do my weekly shop there because it's local, I can book a shopping slot and it's rarely crowded.

I wouldn't be against further restrictions if there was clear evidence they were stopping activities that genuinely contribute to the spread.

All the people i know caught it from the workplace, from school or from a member of their bubble who caught it from workplace or school. Stopping people exercising more than once a day is going to make sod all difference.

@WouldBeGood

I think *@FizzyFanta1* can’t be for real

I think that she/he is the latest version of somone who has been trolling us for the past 4 or 5 weeks, under a variety of user names. The line about not 'popping to the shops' gave them away. Must try harder.

@Everleigh2021

I’d argue with the ‘90 per cent of Britons‘ are complying statement!!

This absolutely

We should absolutely have to fill in forms before leaving the house like in France. I'd also look to enforce the system used in Spain where DC under 14 were not allowed to leave home at all for any reason

Why? How would either of those things help?

Trouble is lockdown fatigue is a real thing. Government- particularly Scottish government- could have relaxed things more over the summer when rates were genuinely very low, but didn't and as a result we've been living under some form of restriction for almost a year now.

Now that we're genuinely at a point where figures have exploded practically overnight I'm not entirely sure anyone believes them any more, or is prepared to restrict their lives more than they need to because it's been going on so long.

I can see it in my DPs, She has been very cautious since about Feb last year but when I spoke to her on NYD she said her and DF found the path quite icy on their daily walk - they are frail octogenarians with a number of health concerns- and DF was running short on his E45 so she was going to get the bus to B&M to buy some. This is from the woman who wouldn't meet us for an outdoor meal at a cafe in the summer.

It's getting spread mostly through care homes, hospitals, places of work and going inside other's homes. But do let's criminalise a couple of women meeting for coffee and a walk outside.

If they stop people meeting outside here I'm still going to meet my friend. I didn't for the first two months of lockdown last time and it was almost intolerable.

@donewithitalltodayandxmas I have to book mine 1 week in advance to get a slot but I am lucky that I can get them. I am in a town, not a city, in the south west so that may help.

[quote DinosaurDigestive]@GoldenOmber yes as the employer has found a loophole to exploit as I had already stated in my post.[/quote]
But they haven’t ‘found a loophole to exploit’.

If the government says the place of work can stay open, then it’s not eligible for the kind of financial support that would keep it going if it chooses to close. It can’t furlough its staff, so they’d all be out of a job.

If you want fewer journeys you should be calling on the government to close more sectors, not blaming individual people for finding ‘loopholes’.

@Katie517

It won’t happen it’s one persons opinion that has been blown up to coincide with the governments new ad campaign to scare people into staying at home. Downing Street has already confirmed that tougher measures will not be coming in but they are focusing on enforcement from the police and pleading with the public. Anyone whose mental health is suffering at the moment I suggest you step away from this thread as the lockdown lovers of mumsnet will be throwing out all sorts of nonsense about new restrictions and bolting you into the house with your curtains closed until spring.

Thanks - I agree Katie517. I believe infections will start to decrease with so many getting vaccinated and this lockdown (I hope so anyway).

@polkadotpixie

If they take away childcare bubbles I will be breaking the rules. I can't work from home (NHS) and I have a 2 year old who goes to my Mum for childcare. What would the holier than thou posters suggest I do with him?

Me too. Enough is enough.

The rules are too vague. E.g. with the women having coffee in Derbyshire - the rules don't specify how far you can travel for exercise, and they should. Set a definite limit - it's not hard.

There should be a whistleblower line to report employers forcing people to go in when they don't need to. Unfortunately busy bodies would use it to report Sharon from next door going out twice a day or coming back from shopping with a small bag.

@benedicto

I think that since that cafes and takeaways from hospitality should be stopped because while it seems legal to sell from these places, purchasing and consuming these takeaways seems to break all the guidelines (the reasons for leaving your house don't include getting a takeaway so there is no legal way to leave your house to obtain the takeaway). It is a really bizarre situation if it is legal to open your premises to sell something but not legal to leave your home to purchase what they are selling.

That’s not right. A legal reason to leave you house is “to shop or obtain services from a business allowed to remain open”. Takeaways are allowed to stay open, therefore going to one is a reason to leave your house. Arguable this is ridiculous and they should be closed, but as it currently is, you are legally allowed to go.

You mean an actual lockdown then.
About bloody time, only taken them a year.
Schools need to close properly, paper packs will sort anybody without technology, and parents will have to share their childcare between them.

"We live in central London and all I can see is compliance with the measures"

My BIL says different - but even so, in London you've had the luxury of being tier 2 for a ridiculously long time while many of us with lower rates were left in the highest level of restrictions all year.

It could be argued you've not been locked down long enough to experience fatigue yet