Vaccine Priority: Teachers or Police

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Only posting in AIBU for the voting (and I have simplified a massively complex issue) but hypothetically if an employment group was to have priority who do you think should be prioritised:

YABU - teachers should have vaccine priority
YANBU - police should have vaccine priority

(voting options don't reflect my preference necessarily).

And, should either of these groups have priority over those on the flu vaccine list (so pre-existing conditions but not CEV)...

Fighfighters and police are going to be driving ambulances when there is no-one available I have been told today.
So I would put those in contact with the public and taking these extra duties agead of teachers.
Then teachers.
I see more logic on vaccinating people who must go outside and contact the publuc before, like teachers, as I thought that would slow the spread more.
But, apparently, all experts say they must go with ECV and older than 80 and 70s first.
They could show the predictions from the models for each scenario, but so far, I have not seen any. Also, I would expect to have changedcmassively with the new variant. Yet, again, that is not been shown.

@Spaghettipie1

I think Police are much more at risk than teachers, they have to get very close to people who may be violent/spitting, sit in the back of a car with them, break up illegal parties and gatherings.

Erm, I do this every day in school

@956806416ak

I agree with you.
Every police officer I know spends 25% of their shift out in contact with people, and the other 75% filling in forms and back at the station

Those officers must work in a fairly quiet area. Where I worked we were lucky to get a sandwich down our necks during our shift and paperwork was usually done hours after we were meant to finish.

I sympathise with teachers and it's a job I could never do - and, again, I've not said they're any less deserving.

But the "they don't do anything and don't need a jab" is just mean and misinformed.

And yes, you're very likely to have police officers driving ambulances in London in the coming weeks.

Those officers must work in a fairly quiet area.

Compared to you, yes, but is any area really quiet right now?

I would never say you don't do anything - great respect for the good police officers out there. Perhaps you meant someone else.

JorisBonso

Without going into detail, I have no need for a ride-along to know what the police do, thank you very much!

Definitely police. Every police officer I know has caught it at least once

Surely most teachers are working from home now anyway (although need to consider the TAs looking after key worker kids)

Also, it’s more important that police are in work than teachers

Depends if you want teachers back in classrooms. If you do, teachers first. If teachers can work from home (no keyworker supervision), police first. I think both groups should be after the oldies (70+) but above the vulnerable (who can isolate).

Tingtastic you seem gloriously misinformed about who is looking after keyworker dc across the country.

Teachers

Surely most teachers are working from home now anyway

Well, no. And also...isn't that a bit of a problem?

Teachers don't seem able to retire from 'front line' work when police officers can ease off into a more sedentary role, so I suspect the age demographic of teachers 'on the front line' is considerably higher.

If the role of police officers were to change and they were to become ambulance drivers, or if that is seriously under consideration, it's a different thing.

@ItsIgginningtolookalotlikeXmas

Tingtastic you seem gloriously misinformed about who is looking after keyworker dc across the country.

They are very misinformed

They are in the same cohort. By the time this is reached the over 50 with health vulnerabilities will that form part of their groups will be done. The vaccination weekly rates will be very high by then. Regionally they could do both in a week or two.

This is a pointless argument. They will get called around the same time. Then it will be down to where you decide to book. But if the call is during a school holiday then it probably best to target the teachers at that time. Then do the police.

Then again nurse staff are employed in both services and could be supplied to sort themselves out.

The police without a doubt, we can survive with out teacher for an interim period but we need the police to be available at all times

So I want to say teachers first, just so we can stop the parents whining (yes yes, I know some of you are great parents but let's face it, there are equal numbers of people who don't like to have their kids around...)

BUT the kids would still be passing it around each other causing pods/classes/however it would be structured in the next few months to still needs to isolate, so vaccinating teachers clearly needs to happen but it won't stop the virus going around schools.

I actually do hope that police are picking up the extra vaccines left over, I'd quite happily sign up to be a standby and walk the 40 mins to our vaccination centre (and back) daily on the off chance of getting leftover dose save it going to waste.

we can survive with out teacher for an interim period

Well that's new. Why didn't someone just say earlier?

@956806416ak

we can survive with out teacher for an interim period

Well that's new. Why didn't someone just say earlier?

Your delusional if you think teachers are more important then the police. Get in the real world.

Definitely the police. They have more physical contact, they can't work from home and they are emergency workers.

When the shit hits the fan society won't collapse/people die without teachers. They will without the police.

Yes to frontline officers being absolutely more of a priority. Just look at those awful covid-denying "freedom" protests they are having to deal with 😢

And yes, you're very likely to have police officers driving ambulances in London in the coming weeks.

Yes DP is volunteering to do this.

Both
Why does it have to be a choice

@Shodan

And yes, you're very likely to have police officers driving ambulances in London in the coming weeks.

Yes DP is volunteering to do this.

DH too!

Police (and I say that as a teacher).

If too many police officer are ill for safe staffing levels we'll be in a right pickle.

Teachers can teach from home.

If a teacher is off someone can cover (not ideal but easier than replacing a police officer in a pinch)